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Tapped In with Tom Flies: The Truth About the DCMWG Podcast & Industry Realities with Phelps

Phelps Jugo joins Time Flies on a raw new episode of Tapped In to break down his journey from the background to the forefront of the podcast world.

In this episode, we dive deep into the DCMWG Chronicles, sharing untold stories from their time on the previous network and the reality of producing a top-tier show. Phelps discusses his transition from teaching math and producing music for artists like Lil Uzi Vert to becoming a mainstay in the podcasting space.

Inside the Episode:

  • The DCMWG Chronicles: Untold stories from the previous network and the reality of working on a top-tier show.
  • Industry Lessons: What the "Don't Call Me White Girl" Podcast run taught them about ownership, creative chemistry, and the podcast business.
  • The Transition: How Phelps and Tom are taking those experiences to build their own independent movements in 2026.
  • Tapped In Energy: A raw look at the hustle, the relationships, and what it takes to stay relevant in the digital space.

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  • Produced by: @JustJonavin

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SPEAKER_01

And we back, man. This is an episode of Tapped In with Time Flies. Do I really gotta let me let me privacy by saying this right? I did research on this nigga, bro. Like I did I did research. I typed up shit. I had topics. I had everything I was gonna talk about. Because you can't treat your you gotta treat your homies like they guests too. You know what I'm saying? I did all that, rushing to get down here, trying to trying to beat people here and everything situated and all that. Left my damn laptop. I know y'all used to see my laptop on the on the side, left it in the crib. So now we we just now we just we just up here and now we we we gonna be chatting like the friends that we are in real life, but also we gonna keep it to some podcast shit where I'm not just up here, but oh we're not you you see see this is this is this is the dynamic that we share because he know what I'm saying. But this is this is the episode of tapped, then with time flies, and I'm sitting here with none other than, you know what I'm saying, my dog, my bro, you know what I'm saying. Uh we got we got a lot of history uh between us that extends far beyond any podcast or network you ever you've seen us on. Um we got my man Phelps Hugo up here, man. Make some noise for Phelps Hugo, y'all, one time. That was better, but we gonna we gonna get better as as the season goes along with Tac then. We're gonna get better.

SPEAKER_02

Um you got space, you're gonna it's gonna start filling up back there. Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We we gonna live studio audience, this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? We already talked about that.

SPEAKER_02

I can see it, I can see it.

SPEAKER_01

But what's up, bro, man? What's talk to me, bro?

SPEAKER_02

Hey man, you know, uh shit. I'm happy to be here. You know, I don't got I don't get a lot of um air time outside of being next to you know Mona. So it's it's cool to, you know, to get out here on my own and do my thing, which I'm open to. I just don't think people know the approach, or if they don't know me, they don't know what to say or what the conversation could be.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know I you know I know that exists for you. It's like, oh Phelps can come by himself. Like, like we can actually talk to this to this nigga. It's like, yeah. Um, I feel like me and you though, um we we've talked about, like I said, we've we've professionally about four or five years, we we we worked together and we talked about or hinted at the idea of something previously uh on a network we was on that or we could do uh, you know what I'm saying, a co-ed episode or something like that when it just never came to fruition. Um because like you and me, we we played the background on on the pre on the last network. So a lot of them don't really, like I said, don't know our dynamic. It's just what they heard from uh Mona. You know what I'm saying? Is knowing you, knowing me, knowing everybody else in the in the inner circle.

SPEAKER_02

And I played the I played the like prior to getting on the on being on the podcast and on camera, I played the background before that. So I was you know, I it I had to get acclimated too, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01

I wasn't Yeah, they don't they don't that's this kind of remind me of because this in my studio and now like we be way over here, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of people don't know uh if you was around since then that it kind of started like Bro graduated from the the the the kitchen stool to the to the chair literally it was it was like I just and before I knew it I had a camera and now and now you officially the the the co-host of the uh of the pod or whatever so you know what I'm saying and that was always dope. I think people I think I want to speak to some of that because a lot of people might have think that was like a planned thing. No, and it wasn't no like it was like I I literally don't even remember remember how it just was like uh hey this is this Phelps chair, like this is you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02

I start so I started off behind the scenes with you. Motherfuckers don't know. I was in there moving the set around, yeah. We was in there working, just yeah, so um, but after I we would get done, you know, with Mona start talking, you know, she gonna captivate whoever in the room. So we sit down and we, you know, I mean we we watch and we listen. So that I think that was probably when I first started to just she would catch me laughing on the side, and then that would make her start talking to us on the side, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01

And yeah, I think your laugh too is you get a lot of like your laugh being infectious, that it would catch people. Like now we can recognize that's Phelps in the back. You know what I'm saying? And then she made it, you she made you such a mainstay that she exactly knew who you was without you even being on show.

SPEAKER_02

She referenced me so much that she made people start to ask, and then you know, she put me, she put me right there. So, you know, I'm always grateful for that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, she didn't have to do that. Exactly. Like that again, that was not a planned thing as somebody that was a producer on the show. It was never like uh it was always supposed to be just her on the show. Uh, but we'll get we'll get into more because I do want to start with because you like I said, you um outside of that podcast, you also had another podcast. But I I I do want to get into just because I know, but for the people that that don't know, yeah, bro. Okay, whatever. Yeah, it's like just just what even prompted you wanting to the transition of because I know you did music, a lot of things that you've done that a lot of people may not know, you know what I'm saying? But like what what was it that prompted you into just entertainment in general, music, podcasting?

SPEAKER_02

Um so I basically I was just like regular, daggler books and job type nigga, you feel me? Um I got my degree, I started working, I was teaching math for a little bit. And then um, you know, life happened, my mom passed. That's another thing people know we got in common.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We under we got that understanding. But when that happened, I just shifted, you feel me? Um I met Quaddy, shout out my nigga.

SPEAKER_00

Shout out to Quaddy.

SPEAKER_02

Um, and I uh I just made a transition, bro. My um my friends had had a my friends who was rappers, they was already kind of doing their thing, told me to start making beats. Yo, Phelps, I think you just I'm like, y'all already, but they just I don't know. That's one thing I rec I could respect that if people, and Moan, that's Mona 2, people see something in me that I don't see in myself. Yeah, right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it just started from there. I started making beats, and I made beats for a couple years, and then before I knew it, after linking up with Quaddy, it was I was in the studio in um in Philly, uh Electric Factory.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Um, yeah, and we was in there with with Lil' Uzi for like a year and some change. And you know, just that experience being in and out of the studio with him and going to places and uh you know, meeting people, you know, you'll meet it when you when you're around somebody that big, a lot comes from that. You feel me? So I made a lot of friends, connections from that, and people started to know me. And then from that, like people, people that I didn't know knew me, knew me from that, even though I wasn't like putting myself out there, you know what I mean. I was just a producer, slash, I don't know, yeah, creative director for Quaddy or what. And then from that, I kind of just grew, you know what I mean? Yeah, and um, yeah, so then by the time I had me and Mona crossed paths, um, I don't know, I don't think she we knew each other off the bat, but I think somebody told her what I did or something, and um, she kind of looked it up and you know paid attention to it and was like, yo, I want you to, you know, come help me with my shit. Yeah, yeah, you know, then we just blossomed from there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that was always that was a story I got to because by the time I think when when when the podcast came to be on Breakbeat, at first it was uh, all right, it's it's it was the people at at the at the the high reps of the network. Yeah and it was a okay, we want to bring you in to be the producer, and then it was just me and her for look trying to figure it out for a couple months. Like a lot of people, I think the podcast launched because you because you wasn't even at the um the the pilot thing that we did with the with the live audience. I was supposed to be there, but I wasn't. I know, yeah. I remember I remember saying like my own, and I was like, all right, yeah, I caught COVID. That's 2020, catching COVID. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02

Like that was when that was when you caught that, John. You started to sit down, you got to sit down for a little bit. You went you couldn't come back to work. Yeah, I had to sit down.

SPEAKER_01

But so it was like, all right, let's put this together, let's, you know what I'm saying? And then when when we was placing everything together, then it was like, okay, like I tell people all the time when when you put together an idea and or either a podcast, I guess in general, um, what you do with the first episode is now which we which you be doing by episode 10. Yeah. So 20, like it gradually changes. So it was like we went in there and we shot, and I remember that first episode being like, like, I remember Mona like walking off the set. You know what I'm saying? Like just like having like a panic attack, like she couldn't, like, just I don't know what it was, but that she just wasn't comfortable, you know what I'm saying? Okay. And I remember um her then you coming in the stool, and then uh uh you and uh yeah, she brought you in the stool or whatever, and it was like, oh yeah, this is my you know what I'm saying, this is my man or whatever, like that. We gonna be cool. We all just took the took the backseat role, and then it kind of just helped her get into the flow of things. Because that's literally how it all came together. It was like you, and then it was Dre and Rhonda, and then it was uh, you know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of how it came together, and then next thing you know, that was our team for the next one.

SPEAKER_02

She definitely, she definitely brought us all together.

SPEAKER_01

Like literally, like, literally, like it was all from all together.

SPEAKER_02

Dre and Rhonda knew each other, but none like outside, like none of us, all none of us.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, none of us, we all met for the first time on a set of the podcast. It was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

And I th and at that time too, even if we knew who Mona was, she still was new to us, too. Everybody was still new to each other.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. So literally, like, y'all, like literally on in real time, watch like friendships, like relationships, all that shit build in a matter of every week, literally. Like, I know that's like cliche to say, but like literally, like we were all still learning each other. You know what I'm saying? And it was like it came together every week. So then we would start start spending more time together. That led to now, like real, I feel like real friendships, real bond. Because like I tell people all the time, it's like like I was speaking to me and your dynamic is like a lot of people don't know how tight me and you is. Yeah. And it's like, it ain't just no on camera, you know what I'm saying? Like just a like, like nigga was at my wedding, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is like real like friendship or whatever. Like, so it's it's just I think a lot of times the people just they they take for what they see on the on the camera and on screen too literal, you know what I'm saying? That they don't know, like, oh, because it's still again to this day, there's people that really can't dissect the nature of you and Mona relationships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because the people a lot of people hit me and be like, you know, when we out sometimes, they be like, oh, like, you know, what's up with Phelps? Like, da-da-da-da. You know, I don't want I don't want to say nothing to Mona, you know what I'm saying? I'll be like, oh, like that's y'all, oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

Shout out my baby, man. She knows she my heart. You know what I'm saying? We know how it carries. You be throwing people off. I don't believe it at all.

SPEAKER_01

So I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Got it. Right. But um, yeah, so a lot of people don't know that that's kind of how it, how it, um, how it came to be. Yeah. What was what was the initial, like, once, how was that, how was it for you when you when it officially you was like, all right, I guess I'm like a part of this, like, I guess I'm a part of the pie. Like, um, I don't know. I might say, oh, did you ever really have that moment? Because I feel like it just happened.

SPEAKER_02

It was a gradual process. I think like when I started to get followers on Instagram, like when my following started to grow, I was like, oh, all right, it's people that I guess know who I am. Because her, I don't, you know, she liked to call them fans. You know, her cousins, her supporters, them motherfuckers is a support system, for real for because I'm I I I I get to reap the benefits from, you know what I mean, too. So um, yeah, they they they're like really into whatever she's into. You feel me? From the rooter to the tutor, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

You you know I know. I I do want to take a second and shout them out because like you said, yeah. Same way you reap the benefits, they if if if you stood next beside or supported or helped in any type of way, they will be there for you.

SPEAKER_02

I've been, you know, I don't know if nobody saved my life, but damn near. You know how they they hold us down.

SPEAKER_00

So for sure, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Um from that, you know what I mean? They I feel like you know, them and Mona push me. Yeah, so it was that was probably like I don't know, like the where it's like, all right, I guess this is a you know what I mean? I gotta I gotta really do this thing. Like I said, I I'm I was a I was a music producer, but beat. So I was I was never planning on being in the front or used to being in the front. You know what I mean? So it's just it's yeah, I had to like learn it again, and I'm still getting used to it, you know what I mean? Because I'm doing this at an old age, you know what I mean? I ain't do this in my 20s, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It'd be it'd be different because it's like it almost feel like I think it's it's that negative connotation on us being above 30, 30 plus or whatever, that you can't start something new past 30. You know what I'm saying? It's looked at like you waited too late to can. Now you want to be a yeah, now you want to be a rapper, now you want to be a musician, now you want to be a podcaster, now you want to, and it's like, bro, 30, but nigga, we is we are 65. You know what I'm saying? Like we have plenty of time. I think a lot of people get that kind of confused, or I talk about the fear of failing all the time from people. Is that um, because you could look at it like, I don't know, man. It's an I'm used to being a producer, like I don't really want to take on a new skill. Have because I think people think being a podcaster is so easy, bro. Yeah, you don't even know the half.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't I didn't look at it like a negative thing, I looked at it like it's just a new challenge for me to do. Like, like you said, with the the being older and and starting over, I didn't have a problem with that. It was just for me, I had never used creativity to get anywhere. You know, we I'm from the era, I'm just using creativity on the side. I'm just doing it like I enjoy your yeah, or the fuck around. So for me to actually use my creativity to get myself somewhere, that was what was like, you know, and I'm still working with that. You know what I mean? That's what it is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's you you you never fully finished product when you're doing it. It's literally just a work in progress the entire time you're doing it. You just you just never you don't pay it any mind because again, a lot of people might look at you like, yo, you the profess, but the whole time you gotta go every week or every episode you go into record, it's a different, it's a different process, it's a different uh hurdle. You know what I'm saying? And I think a lot of people don't know that's why I said they think podcasting is just you sit up here and it's so easy, but it's not. You get to see people that's like, I want to be a podcast, I'm gonna be a podcast, because I know y'all get that a lot.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and then you get up there, you come up there, and people will come there and be like this the entire time. But I think too, like us growing up playing sports, I know how to be a part of a team. So it's like you gotta figure out your chemistries. We got chemistry because it took time to you know for it to get there. But once we get there, you know what I mean? Like, motherfucking Kobe know where Shaq wants to be all. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's you know what I mean? So that's all.

SPEAKER_01

Because we used to we used to get a lot of flack in the comments for before the whole, it was just when it was just her up there. And it was like, yo, these niggas in the background they ain't laughing enough.

SPEAKER_02

Like, these niggas ain't talking back, like mind you, they're not hearing me. I'm over there that now, now they know the laugh, right?

SPEAKER_01

It's like, yeah, and I should be like, I used to be like, 'cause we used to, because we get into like reading, we'd like, yo, what the f like, but it's like, bro, also, but it's like if you know somebody, it's like the the jokes hit different when it's like we actually know the person. You know what I'm saying? Like y'all are receiving it for the first time, or like, you know what I'm saying? It's like we know her, so we know this. You might think it's a joke, but we think she's dead serious. You know what I'm saying? Like, so some of the certain shit come across, but we it was like, we went through that a lot, like just they would be mad at us, like, yo, y'all sit in that studio, man, y'all need to kick them the fuck out because they ain't laughing at shit you saying.

SPEAKER_02

It's like And now they now they now I'm known for the laugh.

SPEAKER_01

Now it was like now we gotta so when so it's joining the podcast, right, and then becoming like such such a mainstay. How was how was the reception between like just you, like your close friends, like family? Was it like people start treating you different?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I ain't even gonna lie, people around me for the most part always support what I do because I also too feel like they recognize it, like, all right, we're not used to him going this route. Yeah, you know what I mean, going going left. So I feel like because you know, they they see me taking a risk and a chance, you know, doing something that I normally wouldn't do, yeah. I had support. I never got a lot of like family hate when I did shit. Like I feel sorry for people that gotta go through that in life, but my family for the most part, you know what I mean? Go ahead, rock out, yeah. Yeah, I feel like that's I feel like not that like because and I mean well and I'm and I wanna and I wanna I mean well and I want to succeed. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like the family hate thing, because I never experienced that either. Like you, you you we've been there all shows and we've done it.

SPEAKER_02

Or them them, I ain't gonna say the last name, but flop. All eight what flocks and they all look alike, so it's like all got pom pom for my baby.

SPEAKER_01

So it's like I never experienced that because it's like I'll be like people really go through shit like that.

SPEAKER_02

And that and and I'm not gonna lie, shout out to your family. That's hard too because they support you and you're not on in the forefront.

SPEAKER_01

Like, no, like like I I So to have support and you behind the scenes, that's like that's a real happy because they're not used to damn, like, or looking at it like because no matter how big or small, we want to look at where we where we were, where we are, it's like the average person ain't get to see heights. You know what I'm saying? Like they're they ain't getting the comeback stage less at the root speed nick. They ain't getting the comeback stage less or this, they ain't gonna tour. You know what I'm saying? Like the average person is not experiencing those things. So to be able to even get close to it to them is like, bro, we got a champion and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, it done been shows where we we they done told us to guess this only X amount of people. Me and Phelps done walked in 50 people through the back. We done we we done snuck in 60 niggas on the elevator.

SPEAKER_02

It's like I never thought I would wake up and like I would have a tour flyer, you know what I mean? Like that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01

Speaking of, because we we we we gonna walk down memory lane in this motherfucker. Speaking of, because we we speak into this the the podcast tour. Yeah, the podcast tour, I remember uh it wasn't that long ago, we ain't, you know what I'm saying? It was only like two years ago. Um that experience 2024, 2023. That was 2024. Okay, okay. That experience, like we can remember, because I remember me and you having that conversation about that in the moment when it was happening. Yeah, um, because everything, the production, everything was going on with it, but you saying you never thought you'd be able to even see some shit like that.

SPEAKER_02

Like, yeah, not not like, yeah, nah. I did I never it's crazy because um you had dreams of doing stuff, and me, even when I started to do music, like I said, as a music producer, I never thought that I was gonna would be in the forefront. You know what I mean? So even if I did, I did see myself like alright, I will probably go on tour, but it was like me standing on the side.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_02

Me being backstage, or you know what I mean? So for me to to go on tour and to be a a co-host, you know, essentially, that's like I I never think, you know what I mean? Yeah, no. And what it was what, eight cities or something?

SPEAKER_01

Eight, I think it was like nine, nine. One, I think only I think Miami got canceled, but it kind of, but that's just but not even so. If we count in the podcast, you know, it's been countless comedy tours we've done. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so not not actually a part, but a part, you know what I'm saying? Where you threw it, you would have you would you inside of a joke, you know what I'm saying, somewhere, or you coming out on the entertainment, but so it's literally well over 50. I want to say 50, 100, damn near close to 100 shows and shit that you probably did that you probably need.

SPEAKER_02

I definitely go to a lot of comedy shows, and I do like the meet and greets.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this the the podcaster was one of the things I will say, and I gotta shout Mona out too because her putting her foot down to make it because like you said, I'm I'm behind the scenes. They I've been on probably like four or five episodes in total, you know what I'm saying? Like on camera. But to to make sure to see through it, see to it that yo, I want them with me. Like poster, lanyard, fly, everything. I want my face, I want his face, I want his face. You know what I'm saying? To to put her foot down and make it a thing, and to do that for us was kind of something that because we we we we show her love and we give her respect all the time.

SPEAKER_02

Um we know we know who the we understand who the star is and who most of every people are here to see, so we kind of just be trying to play our role. So for her to put stick her neck out there for us, you know what I mean? We always grateful for that. That's true. For sure, for sure, for sure. Can't ask for too much more.

SPEAKER_01

No, and I but I also want to say because I do see a lot of not only being close enough to it to know how it affects her, you, me, and everybody else that's attached to her, because it do comes with a lot, because if you next to her, then you damn near you right there. Yeah, and they know you. Yeah, that she she does get a lot of it's no, it's just good and bad shit with with in the media. You know what I'm saying? It's it comes with everything, but when we speak to just somebody's like uh uh nature, it's like to put everybody on. Yeah. Like if you if you here, we gonna find something for you to do.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. We gotta figure, we gotta figure out your position.

SPEAKER_01

We're gonna find out what what you what you good at, and we're gonna put you here, and we're gonna run this up. You know what I'm saying? So I do want I just want a second to just acknowledge her and be her being that type of person because you don't really meet too many people like that. Yeah. Um coming in in the business.

SPEAKER_02

Because Lord knows we Yeah, everybody for self.

SPEAKER_01

We don't we done we done been in some spaces. Um, but so with the so the podcast happens. Was there ever any talks about because I know then you and you and Quaddy, y'all had your own show, um, uh Gangster Friends uh uh podcast. How was it?

SPEAKER_02

It's just you know complications. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm gonna say, but how how was that? Because how was that dynamic being different than it being you and Mona on the show and then going in and doing the podcast with him?

SPEAKER_02

Um, well, both of them is two light-skinned talkative. You know what I'm saying? Very high strung. Uh I love him to death. So it's kind of like um on one, on you know, on Mona's, is she's carrying the show, and I'm kind of just I'm I bounce off her when you know, when I see fit or when needy or whatever. With Quaddy, it's more of me and him going back and forth.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

You know, so that's all. And you know, it's it's a it's a man-to-man conversation as opposed to a woman-to-man conversation. So we um, you know, we're gonna be it's gonna be a masculine conversation, it's gonna be sports, you know, we're gonna talk about women.

SPEAKER_01

She talked she talking playing about a monastery that we hint at on there. If he if he hints at the fucking playoffs or something that is like, oh, we ain't nigga, we technically shut up.

SPEAKER_02

Like, we don't want to see that. Like, she don't, yeah, she don't, she don't give a damn about a sport, which is fine. You know, that's but just that's just been a part of me, my whole life.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's you know I mean my whole life. I still don't abandon, you know, following sports. Even though now I gotta follow, you know, more culture things, gossip and all that because of you know the the where I'm at. But um yeah, it's that's it. It's just I just gotta participate more, you know. I gotta do more, you know, more I gotta do more on the back end production side. Because I feel like being on a podcast, even though I'm just a co-host and then Mona's the host, and then we have a producer, it's like you st you still do more than just sit there and talk. Yeah, you know what I mean. You do a little bit of producing, yeah, no matter where you're at.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that everybody's a producer down there. Like you you you were one, she's one. Everybody's there as a part of the team, is a producer in itself in some form of fashion. Just even if you gotta produce yourself, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like a lot of people don't, again, they just think it's just sitting here and talking about 200 dates and a bunch like crazy shit. Like it's you couldn't be further from the fucking truth. Like a lot of that shit needs to be debunked because y'all try to do this shit week in, week out. You see a lot of podcasts go pie like five, six episodes a week.

SPEAKER_02

People, I mean, I I we'll tell people this, it's a little jump. Talking, sitting down and talking is the easiest part.

SPEAKER_01

It's everything else, everything beyond the word, yeah. Because you look at it and it's like you look at it, right? It's like speaking from a producer, you know what I'm saying? Like, that had to situate and set up everybody to come in. What y'all gonna talk about, and how we gonna plan around and how we gonna market what y'all talking about, then it actually happening, right? And y'all talking about the shit y'all was supposed to talk about, and now leaving, and now the job's on us to market this every day until the next episode. And do people care about it? Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's it's a lot more than what than what go than what y'all see um on the camera, and it's literally a 24-7 non-stop because it's not just me, and then it's this person, this person I gotta pass on to this person. So it's kind of everybody working cohesive in a cohesive unit to try to figure it out literally from this episode that we shoot today until the next episode we shoot. Yeah, we gotta push this shit. So it's it's it's it's a process. Um, but I want to ask you too, because as somebody that again knows some more of the inside shit, has there been some time where you you got like some negative, or the people didn't receive the something you said on the pod and kind of did it, didn't it affect you in in any way where it kind of made you kind of have to like speak differently to certain things?

SPEAKER_02

Yo, I see I'm mad because yes, it happened at least twice. I know one of the ones I can't remember what it was. I had to make a f I'm I didn't I know I remember. I know, I know, I know you word that wrong way. I made a I forget exactly what it was. Me too. I'm thinking about it because I'm like I made us I made a full Instagram apology and I apologize on the pod. Oh, what the hell?

SPEAKER_01

What did I I'm mad we can't, I'm mad I can't think of it either because I remember I know what it and it was just last year, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Was it yeah, was it, yeah, but was it was it towards the community?

SPEAKER_01

I don't I think I think it was something, I don't know. So please, I'm sorry. We'll we'll I'll I'll I'll find a clip once we come to So I'll say this.

SPEAKER_02

I think I think it was some insensitive shit or something. I was about I literally was about yo, you took the words out of my I was about to say I feel like I was being insensitive about something somewhere, and I had to apologize for that. Because I'm kind of like a straight shooter, yeah. And uh, you know, you still gotta, you still we still learn it no matter how long I've been doing this. I'm still learning. And uh when you become of importance, you know, depending on you know how you want to carry, because I do care about people's feelings to a point. At sometimes I don't give a fuck. Yeah, but it's times when I do, you feel me? And I think in that time I was being insensitive at the wrong time.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say, I think that's another one of them times where you kind of it clicks where you realize, like, damn, all right, I'm not just speaking for myself now. Like the shit I can say can affect somebody's day speak to enough to where I'm opening my messages, I'm opening where it's people that care about me, that's like and people get misconstrued because they'll say, Oh, they'll think that they don't care about said group of people or what who or whatever they're talking about the whole time, those people care and support you.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I mean? So it's like you you always want to keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Do do it do it change the way you go into things now, like your views like before, like not thinking before you say, but almost like, all right, let me let me change the way I say this because uh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It does. But I mean, at the end of the day, I never, it's like this. It was like I never grew up thinking that I was gonna be here, right? In real life, I I I stand on what I stand on, and not to say I fake it for the camera, but it's certain, it's everything don't have to be addressed anyway.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So um it don't bother me about not being able to express myself about something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, right. Yeah, sometimes you don't even want to you don't even want to do what because what comes with that.

SPEAKER_02

Bro, we found out a way to to to earn revenue from sitting in front of a camera and chatting. Me, I I damn near sometimes don't talk. Yeah, you know, that's that's that's like you know, is we when you really think about it to me, sometimes it's kind of crazy. So I'm just grateful for that. So if I can do that, it don't it don't bother me to not be able to express myself.

unknown

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02

We we you know we grew up in the 90s where motherfuckers told you to sit down and shut the fuck up anyway. You did yeah for nothing. Yeah. So for me to sit down and shut up for you know I mean for for me to be able to do what I gotta do, all right. I don't limit myself to be able to like, oh damn, if I don't talk about this one thing. No, it's a million things I could talk about, brother. We don't gotta do that. Yeah, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01

No, I think I think because that's so true.

SPEAKER_02

Because as somebody who else is caught the other side of, and I can't recall what I you you know how to make people mad for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I I've gotten better at that. I've done a lot better in my life. With that, because you know, I then we we piss I pissed off somebody from the pie, and I'm not even on the camera. And I had to had to issue a public apology via Mona, you know what I'm saying? Okay, because it's and then it it it like you said, it's just like all right, maybe it I don't it don't need to be said, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, or at least here, like I and you know how you know we don't trip, like no disrespect to to us not being because it it's even us not being able to remember makes it uh us come off as insensitive. That's not the case. What it is is for us it's dust off our shoulders. Yeah, it's like put under the bridge. Like I'm over it. I'm not about to lose no sleep over this, dog. I'm over it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

I'm over it. Shit, they they was they was emailing them niggas was I'm gonna get you fired, nigga. I'm gonna call you.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they done they bro. They done try to ward me off the pie so many times, dog. So many times. Get him out of here.

SPEAKER_01

Old time is like, bro, come on, nobody's going nowhere, yo.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I didn't fight to, I'm not fighting against y'all. You know what I mean? I'm here on the behalf of Mona.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think that's what they I think another thing too is that they get it confused, is that it's like, okay, the network employees. Yeah, yeah. They brought the network brought you in to be at this spot. No. It's like, no, my friend brought me in to be here and do exactly what I'm doing that y'all are upset about. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, it's it's this this is her world. You know what I mean? Eric when Michael Jordan was on the bulls, everybody ain't like Dennis Rodman.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Still somebody's like, Michael Jordan said I need him here to win me a ring.

SPEAKER_01

That's it. That's all. That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm here because somebody requests.

SPEAKER_01

I do want to speak to um a lot of people don't know. Um, because again, a lot of people still, I want to speak to just the the podcast, and and just this is the departure of the podcast, and quote unquote, because the podcast is still going. You know what I'm saying? Uh the Don't Call Me White Girl Show is alive and well um on Mona Love Media, which are everybody.

SPEAKER_02

Shout out Mona Love Media. Shout out to Mona Love Media comment files screwed.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but you're getting better at that.

SPEAKER_02

Word. But got to, man.

SPEAKER_01

The departure from the previous network. Um, just how how was it shit? Even the departure, because it it kind of came in layers because it was a the team was initially, it was you, it was me, you, Dre, Mona, Rhonda, and then we seen Dre and Rhonda depart. Um, and a lot of people didn't know still today, like a lot of people still just the casual person is like, still things prior to this day, they're fucking producing the the show and shit. Um but just like um in in totality though, just them leaving, and then people don't know of my departure a year ago. Um, to whereas though I left probably like a couple months prior to the whole podcast, just leaving the network in general. But just this, I guess the departure in general, like how, like, did it affect you in any way, or was it like uh like everything was kind of like you know what I'm saying? Like we just moving on to the next, like it's business.

SPEAKER_02

Um, well, for one, I wouldn't I wouldn't call them departures. Yeah. I wouldn't call it the like because just because somebody leaves don't mean they wanted to leave or they had to leave. Right. So I wouldn't, you know what I mean? I feel like um sometimes new opportunities come for some people. Um, you know, life happens for some people. Uh every be the I don't know, it's weird because everybody is still cool. Uh Rhonda and Dre still pop out the shows, you know, me and you sitting here talking. Like everybody, though. Like everybody is still acquainted, so it's like, uh and we still tap into each other for resources too. So it's like, I guess we still a team, but it's I we we're not a team under the podcast anymore. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Um for me, I don't know, man. I kind of just uh whenever when somebody comes in, I try to welcome them. Um just because somebody is no longer with us, I don't I don't try to uh think it's a negative thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_02

Uh I mean, you know, that's we have all worked at jobs when employees can't go. It's just it's it's like that, except for I feel like in this, it's not necessarily like bad blood that happened. It's just, you know, I got this going on over here, you know, this is better for me and my family, or I got this going over here. You know what I mean? So um it's never I don't know. I don't I it it never like weighed on me too much.

SPEAKER_01

Right. It just was I think I think because of what I'm I want I was gonna step in and say, I think because again, people still don't view podcasts like our employee by network, like yeah, we were we're assigned to a network, like we are we work for this network, this is our job, and it's a business, you know what I'm saying? The same way you could lose your job at this place, you know what I'm saying? You could, or you could, you know what I'm saying, get a better opportunity and and evolve and grow and take a position elsewhere. It happens on podcasts, but I think people just are used to it, like, or I guess looking at it like we we just homies, we get together and we just sit here and we just talk shit, you know what I'm saying? That oh, one person leaves, it's like, or one person goes to do something else, that it's like, well, damn, it must be what's going on? What happened? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, like I think one of the better ways I could describe it is like when people um used to press Mona about the Gillian Wallow thing.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And like, like you said, we are around her behind the scenes, you know. I'm not gonna put nothing out there specifically, but it done been times where we've been sitting there and you know, her and Wallow might get on the phone and have a conversation, and you know, it's it's nothing wrong going on. Here, give her a resource here, Mona.

SPEAKER_01

You would never know by what they say in the media, like publicly.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. So that's why when people would get up there and ask her, Oh, how you feel about them kicking you off and it's like the way y'all wording it like that is weird, and one, that's not the that's not the energy behind it. You know what I mean? So that's kind of like when you ask me that, I'm like, yeah, I guess people left, but that that's not the energy behind it. It's like, you know what I mean? Because we all could still call the Dex motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, but I say, 'cause I it's just I'm I'm speaking more because it's public perception. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, public perception. It's just public perception, but speaking to it because it's like you gotta let people know that it it ain't it ain't no, it ain't bad blood nowhere. Like it ain't like now we beefing now because I'm saying it because prior to me even moving tap then to now it being like fully produced, like I did my I I threw like a episode out there where I was on uh Zoom in the crib, you know what I'm saying, just talking about a bunch of things. But some of the feedback I was getting was yo, you ain't speaking to the the the the you not being on the pie or why you not with this we ain't seeing you with them and you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02

And it's just like people, people, you know, people feed off drama and negativity, so why why we immediately go to it gotta be an issue or something, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

Like a lot of people don't know, like you know, as a real friend of mine, what was going on behind the scenes, you know what I'm saying? But it's like I'm not about to stroke nobody, you know what I'm saying? Just but oh, I gotta come and tell y'all exactly, like sometimes no, you know, it ain't for everybody to know, you know what I'm saying? But also we we need to stop running to it has to be something negative going on, or they may they had to have a fight or falling out somewhere.

SPEAKER_02

It's a double-edged sword though, because it also uh I don't how can I say it? It also uh shows how how much people care and how big of a deal it is. Yeah, you know what I mean? It meant that meant something to people, or people was at least used to a certain structure. So, you know that that that's a that's it's also a good thing, too. Like, damn, what happened? Yeah, it's it it's fucked up when you're on the other end of it, but you know, I try to just look at the the the the most I could look at it. Yeah, best way I could look at it.

SPEAKER_01

Especially people like us, it's like we don't speak to the public perception in there at all. You know what I'm saying? No matter what's being said, you might have heard or you might because you get DMs like I get DMs. You see comments, like I read comments, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

And we force it out of us sometimes. Bro, like and you ready to we ready to just keep it pushing on to the next.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I ain't I ain't here to talk about it. You know what I'm saying? I ain't here to be on that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so it's it's it's just but I just I just wanted to speak to it so that it came from me and you that it's like just so y'all know for future reference, we ain't we ain't worried about that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, it's it's all love, and it's not even fake love, it's like hell no I I do want to shift gears a little bit though.

SPEAKER_01

I do want to I do want to get into some of the some of your uh favorite moments, I guess per se, or favorite guests, and if you had any just on the pod, or because y'all go viral, the pod goes viral a lot, you know what I'm saying? Um, or if you have any anybody that you was like sat next to or somebody you met in the process that you was like, damn, I can't believe, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like you gotta make it like um let me see. So all the so I would say this all the regular pod guests was like, it was cool, it was like the level of a people I would expect because Mona was at a level, you know what I mean? It's like we work with somebody level, it's like alright, yeah, you know. I think for me, a highlight was something that really woke me up was the BET awards.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02

That was that was like, you know, we don't we don't get starstruck too much, but that was that was a drawn to where it was like, yo, this is kind of crazy. Cause it's like the we do it, we did like let alone all the interviews we did, we sitting in the media room next to other lit media niggas.

SPEAKER_01

Next to the biggest of hugest platforms that I get what you're saying, because it's both of us, that we we got the experience that with her, like all three of us at the same time. Um, because that being her first experience too, and again, like I know I speak I speak to that a lot because for me, that was the same thing. Like just waking up and getting that call, like yo, we going to LA to do the BET awards.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like what you mean?

SPEAKER_01

Like, no, y'all got it.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Yo, what you mean?

SPEAKER_01

Not like what you mean, like, no, they're gonna put y'all in a hotel with everybody else. You know what I'm saying? Like, we across the hall from this person, or we go in the lobby at 3 a.m. and we walking past, you know what I'm saying? So it's like and go ahead. The the this it being surreal that for me, that was like the first, because like I said, we was already doing shit, but it was like that was the first to me, like, oh no, we really like yo, we made it.

SPEAKER_02

That joint was so crazy. So that was like that was crazy because the the media room was like a draw, and then um people don't know that what because what that was the 2024. 2023, 2023. They had the off-the-radar freestyle booth right there.

SPEAKER_01

Right there in front of us.

SPEAKER_02

So it was some rappers that wasn't coming in doing interviews, they were just it was the the traffic was just so crazy, and then we not only was we had the BET Wars, they didn't give us no junk ass tickets. We was floor-level. You was we was we was on we was right there. We was right there. We were going the camera pant the sexy rare, we were three rolls. I was about to say it was two significant things that happened. It was the well, because it was the well, I guess three, because it was the 50th BET. Yeah, um, sexy rare was just being like starting her her stardom was but was bubbling. So she we did an interview with her, people don't even know. We got a whole sexy red interview. Yep. Got it. It's a little five minute.

SPEAKER_01

But it's it's stuck in that combination.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but it's there, it's there. Um, and that was when like her shit was was growing, growing, growing to the point to where she had that famous crowd performance. They literally did a commercial break viral when they did a commercial break. She had a performance in the crowd, bro. She didn't have like an on-stage, she wasn't, she wasn't, she wasn't who she was yet. He played her. She was so bubbling in the streets, the whole for some reason, bro, it was like everybody formed a crowd around her. And they like they recorded, it was a crazy. Yo, it looked crazy. You can go back and look this shit up. It was drawling. We was we wasn't too far from that, and then they brought Chief Keith back from after like the 10-year band. You know what I mean? So it was like that shit was crazy. Niggas saw Ja Rule perform.

SPEAKER_01

Fab.

SPEAKER_02

Uh we saw the real we saw the soldier boy, we saw the real swag surfing niggas. We done heard the song. Whoever done really seen them in real life.

SPEAKER_01

We're talking about like swag, like you've done swag surfing now a million times in every party. Parties, brunches, funerals, you niggas swag surfing.

SPEAKER_02

So and then, you know, being out there and you know, other people knowing who we was, and just that was that that whole experience for me is just something I'll never forget. So that was probably like a a real wow podcast.

SPEAKER_01

Being, I I say that too because I remember for me, I remember us just ri driving down Rodeo, like driving down, going from No Jumper Studio to now traveling. Because we wasn't just filming, we wasn't just filming uh episodes in the media house. We filmed from like 10 a.m. to like two damn near in the media house. From there, then going to shoot with our own episodes of the podcast, you know what I'm saying? So then going to do interviews, so our entire day for the week was just like, and then getting to the walk the red carpets, and I never forget, I think, because we kind of all once we once it was like uh we done everything, you know, you know Mona, Mona don't never like to do shit. Like Mona's just like, oh, are we cool? Like niggas.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think it's like she don't like to do shit. I think she be under because she a mourning, bro. Yeah, yeah. She a morning. She'd be up at 5 a.m. She underestimated, like, oh yeah, I'm ready. I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01

Knocked out.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you up at six.

SPEAKER_01

You're not about you're not lit at 12. Knocked out. Where we going, y'all? All right, I know time FL was just going, and we just we just go. I mean, because I think we did, we did it. We're gonna get dressed, she's gonna take two bites, and that's it. We done. Damn. Time to get some weed, we eat it. Night over. Y'all, y'all, where y'all going? All right, if y'all need me, call me.

SPEAKER_02

We calling the spot.

SPEAKER_01

You yeah, like we good. I think and that weekend too, I think because you was doing, I was out moving around, you was out moving around like as like as if we would get together as a unit, but we were separate. I was going to events, you was going to events, we was meeting up back at the gym. Like, it just it just was it just was crazy for us to be able to kind of move in a space where it's like, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody had, yo, that's nothing too. We would go to these different cities, everybody would have they own, like, oh, I know this bro.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I know this bro. Yeah, yeah, like we was we was going, we was doing walkthroughs and clubs.

SPEAKER_02

So it was like we never had to like, yeah, we never had to like babysit each other or be up under each other. It was like No.

SPEAKER_01

I know I don't think I ever told nobody that story. Uh I think the LA shit, I had went to like this after party and shit. Um, one of the days we was out there and I got stuck in the elevator with Ray J. Um Was that when I was trying to link you and I like couldn't get to you? I think so. We we got I got stuck in the elevator with Ray J, and I never forget we was like, I think it was like overcapacity. We just standing there and I'm just like, mind you, I had just got I had just got this nigga to do uh uh for my wife her birthday. I had got him to like do like a rendition. Right, yeah. So we never get it quietest in the elevator. He like, yeah, it's gonna be like a couple minutes. He like, you know, but I got a cigarette in this drawing? Niggas, like, bro, you ain't about to, it's we in this drawing like this. Like, he like, I'm about to, I got, I need this, I need a cig, man. I need a cig. We like bro, I ain't gonna lie, bro. We're gonna die on here. Like, we gonna pass out in this draw. He like, how long? I'm just like, I don't think I ever told that story, but I'm just like, but that also a reason was like, damn, like, oh yeah, I'm really, we really out here moving around.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and then the other drawing, did you, did you go with us to the um the uh the B E T Atlanta thing?

SPEAKER_01

Uh the Dju, I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_02

She was rapping?

SPEAKER_01

Uh with the the cipher? Yeah. No, I didn't do that. I did the um I didn't go to y'all. I think it was just I think it was uh I think Gary went with y'all. I think I I went to the one where she did the the the Mary J. Blige uh the uh Mary J. Blige thing with Miss.

SPEAKER_02

I was there for that too.

SPEAKER_01

Miss That's when we did off the porch.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I was there for that. But yeah, I didn't I didn't miss the um I missed that was a so that was a that was another moment too that was crazy for me because that was uh like it was like weird. Not I don't want to call them weird legends, but it was weird that it was certain legends in there. It was like a random scrambler.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like a ramble just like Kirk Franklin.

SPEAKER_02

It was it was Remy Mob. Uh I met Tammy from Real World in there. Um I met Dapper Dan, you feel me? I met um Kirk Franklin ran down on, you feel me? He ran down, he had like a camera. He was shooting something. Kirk Franklin just shot something that I'm on.

SPEAKER_01

He never seen it.

SPEAKER_02

And like I had a whole convo, Kirk Franklin, my height, he brolic and shit, but we were sitting there chatting. Like this, you feel me? And it was crazy. Another thing, too. The crazy thing about Kirk Franklin, um, I talk well, like what I'm telling you about, it happened on like the inside. It was like a big warehouse joint. But I'm I'm outside hitting the gas, you feel me? And when he walk up and get out the whip, I'm like, man, it's Kirk Franklin. You gotta put it away. Like then I gotta be militant. Now I'm from Philly, so you know what I mean. I'm Muslim for real, but I still respect people's shit. That's Kirk Frank, bro. You feel me? So I put my shit down. But mind you, Kirk, he don't even know me, but he see he probably like, where you at? He like, hey, what's up, man? I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it it was like moments like that. You know what I mean? That's that's that's like I'll I'll never that that'll stick with me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, it's so it's times like that where you where because I'll also also feel like we had experiences where we met certain people, and then it was like, dang, I thought this person was gonna be.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I I I had kind of be I told you the spending time with Lil Uzi. I had met a couple like rappers, and that was that was that was enough for me to be like, all right, everybody ain't like that.

SPEAKER_01

Everybody ain't everybody ain't like that. Everybody ain't like that. Cause I ain't gonna speak to certain certain names, but I do know when it cause people the question I get all the time when I when I do interviews on other people's platforms is like, who's the favorite guest I ever had? Who was the da-da-da-da? And I get the name of people, and I uh what surprised people a lot is when I say saucy Santana.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um I was gonna say some people are actually like when I say that too, it's the good side. Like some people, you might think they like, uh, but then you meet him, like, oh nah, they solid. Solid. You know what I mean? Solid, they're like, the eye type shit.

SPEAKER_01

He be like, I'm like, no, you want you on the side?

SPEAKER_02

Saucy solids. Saucy Santana, solid nigga.

SPEAKER_01

What we got a strip club, y'all? Like, what we doing?

SPEAKER_02

Like, solid nigga. Um who uh who yeah, so that was like some solid people that people might not. Deszi Banks a solid boy. He's not super he not he super solid. He is who he is, he not weird, he not none of that. Um super, yeah. Funny Marco solid. Super solid. But I will say this, he still is kind of like dry. He real he dry humor in real life.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's like almost to the point where you think it's awkward. Yeah. Like you be like, uh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

But he dead serious. Like he's still he not weird, but he just he still just carry himself. Yeah, uh huh. Shit funny, but he just be sitting there straight face.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people, I feel like, I feel like I feel like a lot of people, um, because it was kind of 50. I think the most people we kind of like, I guess in in terms of like just celebrity was the BT stuff when we did Big Daddy King, Tyrese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like Tyrese was, yeah, that was animated as shit. Yeah. But it was like one of them things where in a moment he I I was I didn't expect him to be that way. Me, I don't know what I thought, Tyrese was like, but it was like But it wasn't what you I'm like five minutes in, nigga telling me, yo, touch that fake plant right there, bro. And I'm just like, all right, like you're like, yeah, feel it, feel it. That's Tyler Perry.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like, bro, you know, you know the nigga that meets you and like shake your hand real long and stare you in your face, bro. That's him. Like the like the squeeze a little bit, but he look you in your face. It's like, bro, I I ain't I'm not trying to date your daughter. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

Like, hey, he that, he that bull a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

I respect it though. I respect it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, talk your head off outside. I got to run in here real quick. All right, real quick, just a second, just a second, this is a second.

SPEAKER_02

Cool is a fan, but he's gonna let you know this man-to-man shit right here. You're not we ain't on that.

SPEAKER_01

Cool as shit. Have you ever had a favorite uh tour moment? Like just like where maybe like fans in a like encounter or like just anything like that? Because I I got to think of a couple drones. Um I throw one out there for you. Pod tour in in uh New Brunswick, big crypt. Um I I I think I can't think. Oh and we went to that uh that food spot.

SPEAKER_02

That was funny. Um I think one of the highlights too, I think that made the tour lit. I didn't expect. First of all, not only do I not expect to be on tour, I don't expect to be on tour for my birthday.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That was a big thing. So I think like yo, that whole I remember to kind of like, I can't say everything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Exact moment.

SPEAKER_02

That whole that whole week on my birthday was like, it was a john. It was like I had a lot of fun. Um, and I wasn't even on no celebrate my birthday the whole week, but just that whole, that, that little was crazy. It was my birthday. We ended up going to a strip club after City to City.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was. Oh, that was the I remember that. That was the that was the the New York.

SPEAKER_02

All my bros came out and got to see me. That was good. Like all my my closest friends, you know, for the most part at this point got to see me. That's another thing, too. Get for like my parents to be able to come see me, people I grew up with, outside of family and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01

It's different. Like, you know, you know, I had my little cousin with me on uh the tour. Nigga, we thought the nigga got out. We thought the little nigga got locked up. Oh, no, we thought having one day we couldn't find this nigga for like 10 hours before this show. We could go.

SPEAKER_02

That's for like 10 hours. He was the he was he the he yo shout outside.

SPEAKER_01

I ain't even going taking that, taking your moment and just seizing the moment.

SPEAKER_02

Like he he is forever etched in my memory because he was there for some shit.

SPEAKER_01

Hilarious, bro. But that was one of them things too, where again, he was somebody that my that's my little cousin, like a little brother I grew up with, because you like you said, my mom passed away, so his mom took me in. So we grew up like that's my cousin, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02

It's like I know members of your family forever, bro. Forever.

SPEAKER_01

And him being able, he was he was locked up so for him to come out, and then he and to be welcomed into that world. He and while I'm making my progress and I'm becoming who I am, and then coming out and be able to just jump right on tour with us, you know what I'm saying? And be able to come to the city.

SPEAKER_02

He didn't go back, and he never did no weird shit. Never, you feel me?

SPEAKER_01

Be able to come back go back and be like, damn, that's that's really I expected him too, but I don't know anything.

SPEAKER_02

You know, but you know, you we done met some and you we done met, and and you know what was crazy too? I ain't gonna say too much, but when you left him with me, I'm like, Yeah, you it was like it was cool.

SPEAKER_01

Like, yo, it's my little cousin, bro. Mixer, you like it.

SPEAKER_02

It's cool, bro. I didn't have no problem, he ain't give me no money for that, for that, you know what I mean? That little alone, that's he good with me forever. Good people, yeah, good people.

SPEAKER_01

And shout out mom dukes because she she's been supporting every show, every show, and don't ever ask for a ticket, just buy a ticket and show up. And that's the type of shit too where you can't you can't again, people that grow up and just proud to just knowing your background, knowing where you come from, just being able happy to see you. Should I if I can come and support you, that's the least I could do.

SPEAKER_02

And and that's another thing too. We gotta shout Mona out as for is she take our family members in. Cause she don't got it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Damn, yeah. My yeah, you you shouldn't know my brothers to live in the city.

SPEAKER_02

It's like if you gotta if you got a crazy aunt or a crazy cousin, nine times out of ten, they might fuck with Mona. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Further to accept everybody in too. That's a, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

That's a Yeah, it's it's definitely much, much love, much, much peace. How is how's everything now? Um, like I said, now on Mona Love Media on the new show. Is it any is it a different type of energy around it, a different type of vibe? Or how are you now, how are you welcoming this this this role? It's kind of the same, but it's kind of not the same.

SPEAKER_02

No, it's the same, but it's not. I got more, I don't want to say more responsibility, but I do. I welcome having to do more. You know what I mean? Uh before, because I was joining something that was kind of already, I don't want to say it was structured, but it was 70 to 80 percent where it was gonna be in terms of the the pieces to the puzzle.

SPEAKER_01

That needed to be done, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So for me to be a a big piece of the puzzle starting out, you know, going forward, it's just you know, I know, I understand like the more I gotta do, the more I'm a part of the uh, you know, just just being more involved. I I welcome that kind of thing. So I'm I'm still figuring it out because I'm not used to it. Right. I'm used to being outside of so many conversations because it's it's it's it was a network.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So now that you know I'm right next to the the network, you know, a part of the network is you know, I'm I'm trying to understand how to how to how to get my feet wet a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's taking on like basically new a new role within itself of being the co-host that you are, but also like still gotta do more than that.

SPEAKER_02

Gotta do way more than that.

SPEAKER_01

More than that. What about you? You are you open to doing like like put like appearances where people can book you to come through?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um, I want people to book me. I just like I said earlier, I don't every I don't think everybody understands like what I'm knowledgeable about. Um, you know, I'm known for really just sitting there and cackling my face on. Yeah. So it's like people gotta understand what conversation I could have. Pardon me. What I'm into. Um I'm real in the I mean, I don't want to say the regular shit, but I'm into sports and music. Everything. And that's literally what we're going into. But outside of that, you know, I like shit like technology, you know what I mean? I went to school for engineering, so even though I'm a black man, I'm into like tech and science too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um I play video games, you know what I mean, and not just the always the regular video games. So it's it's just, you know what I mean? I got a little bit of uh what people would label as nerd or whatever, and you know, I could hold a conversation with all walks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's just it's just people just understand understanding or just taking a shot, like yo, let me have him come on and have a conversation.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Yeah, I just because I guess because they ain't used to, like you say, seeing you in that yeah in that role where you're not on the pod, you're out doing your own thing or whatever.

SPEAKER_02

And I think if people understood, if people like, damn, he good at what he does, he gotta be, he he gotta know something. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Like he dick about to say, you uh Dick people know me from cagging on the pod, nigga, for five years. Yeah, that's that's a long time to be able to just get by doing that. So you gotta know something. You gotta know something. Yeah, but you know, I'll definitely um before before we before we wrap up and get out of here, I gotta, I gotta get your your opinion on, we gotta talk sports, man.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, you know, one of the things where, like I said, we pitched the idea of for the subscription episode or subscription package for the for the last network was for it to be something in a sense of where we get to talk more and be in front of the pod. Uh so to be able to do it now, like I said, me and you, we talk about it, you know what I'm saying? We talk we talk about a bunch of conversations to be able, sports is a one thing we real passionate about. We super passionate about sports.

SPEAKER_02

I know you sickle sell with with that whole Grizzlies and Ja thing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, man. You know, I'm kind of, you know, right now it's looking grim. Right now, we out here, we out here, we we just we wearing our options, man. We we we we surveying the field. Is this a grizzly thing or is this a jaw thing?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know, but how you feel about how you how let me ask you what you're gonna ask me and then I I I'll pick with you after that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Honest opinion, Sixers going into going into the playoffs. So play in, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02

Um officially in the playoffs. He got it. I just came to him, so he know I mean, I can save my licks. Um yo, I feel like we can make it shake a little bit. Uh how much Joel is gonna play is is gonna be very pivotal. Um because the nigga, yo, the fact that the nigga like it's not like he still lost it. I mean, but he still lost some of his athleticism and his physicality. But the fact that the nigga could still give you 30 points in 18 minutes, you we gotta figure out how to work around it. So I feel like if we just study to where he's good at, where he because the the the crazy thing is, bro, is I don't think people understand the nigga still I might have to rest in the playoffs. Yeah, like you gotta think. If the Sixers, say we in a playoff, we we we we we eat out the play in, we and we in a series, man. Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, we go up 3-0 or 3-1. He's he's gonna sit that game out. You know what I mean? If we up 3-2, he might sit that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

If we lose that game six, then we need you for game seven.

SPEAKER_02

You know, so it's just I just but I feel like at this point, it's been like this with this nigga for so long that this year I feel like we had success because they kind of figured it out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna feel him. Shout out my nigga P.E.D. Paul. He done made it to the good. They can't test him again.

SPEAKER_01

Mental health, much love.

SPEAKER_02

Yo, when he came back and dropped 40 again, I was like, nigga, they you about to they about the mean another one.

SPEAKER_01

Come sit you down real quick.

SPEAKER_02

I love I love VJ.

SPEAKER_01

Love VJ, big, big advocate of VJ.

SPEAKER_02

Big, big, big, big.

SPEAKER_01

So that was keep remind me of weed.

SPEAKER_02

So I was already like, Yeah, so I think I'm not gonna lie, the the people say the East is open, and I do feel that way. So I don't know. I just feel like the way we manage Joel is gonna, and like where and how we win the games, like that's the thing. We just can't be, we can't go down in no series. Yeah, it gotta be tired or we gotta be up.

SPEAKER_01

It can't, it can't ever be at least a game. Y'all can go down again. It can't ever be 2-0.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01

2-0, we damn they might as well just call it, you might as well call it crits.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we can't go down 2-0 or 3-1 in no series.

SPEAKER_01

So you like the Sixers' odds coming out the east? Like, if in terms of like fit and depending on the path.

SPEAKER_02

I think I think because it's like Celtics. I don't want to see Boston right now. Boston always have our number in general, but the way Jay, like with the J, even with the Jalen Brown, we was I was like, yeah, we we good. Yeah, I wasn't worried about the Knicks, Hawks, none of that. Um, who at Cleveland, none of that. But it's like Cleveland also got James Hart. Even though he fooled in the playoffs, people say dynamic that you gotta worry about. We're good for them first two rounds. And Boston, once Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown out there, I don't want to play them, bro.

SPEAKER_01

Even though I feel like this probably the weakest version of Boston, which is saying a lot because he still have them two, but it's is you still just don't want to. If you can avoid seeing them until the evening.

SPEAKER_02

Is it the weakest version?

SPEAKER_01

Me, I mean, you got Jalen Brown at his best. You got Jason Tatum working back, weakest version supporting cast wise. We're calling it weak to nigga Jason Tatum averaging 24, 10, and 8, nigga, since he came back. What I don't know supporting cast. Like if they have a bad game, what Peyton Pritchard going to be.

SPEAKER_02

What's the boy's name? Shireman. He knife man off the bench, giving niggas charity. Yeah, but you had to show me. No, you got you do gotta show me, but they they I feel like pause, they deeper than we think. No, I it's that too, but it's it's not it's not Porzingis, Drew, Alhorford.

SPEAKER_01

Nah. It ain't deep like that. You know what I'm saying? Whereas though you kind of can manage.

SPEAKER_02

But I just feel like I feel like we're taking that as names in the playoffs, is where people make names.

SPEAKER_01

So we make another point.

SPEAKER_02

I know, I know uh Sixers, we somebody good bum ass for making their name against us.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

This this is this is this would be the time uh the Sam Hauser wanna get paid. You know what I mean? It's like we're good for that. We're good for that.

SPEAKER_01

What you got coming out of the West?

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna be completely honest. My heart is saying between OKC and uh Denver.

SPEAKER_01

But I ain't got either one of them, bro.

SPEAKER_02

I wanna see Ant. I want to see Ant Megan Shake, and this is what I want to see, but I know it ain't gonna happen, bro. As long as OG in the league, I need to see him make a shake, bro. Yeah, I want to see Brian get back every time, bro. Yeah, as long as as long as oh as long as Unc still out here giving that pain out.

SPEAKER_01

That's yeah, that's just the that's just the love and respect.

SPEAKER_02

Bro, it's it's not even just the love and respect. So I'm somebody I always admire when the oldest motherfucker out there is still killing. Because it's like he shouldn't be doing that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he's 41. You shouldn't be out there averaging 25.

SPEAKER_02

You feel me? So it's like he older Brian got Brian got 20% hair left. Yeah, this whole shit going, he got a piece of hair lying up here.

SPEAKER_01

After July, it's over.

SPEAKER_02

He out there killing him, bro. So it's like me, I get a kick out of that, me personally. And the older I get, the more I get a kick out of it. Like, people, oh, he can't do this, he can't do that. But this is what he can do. So it's like, I would love to see him just do some shit up we never seen an old nigga do. Right. Um, but besides that, realistically, I'm it's it's gonna be between OKC and Denver, bro. And I feel like realistically in the East, it's gonna be Boston or and I feel like I want to see the Hornets make it shape. You know, the fun team. It's the fun team. So I I want the Sixers to do it, I don't know, but I would say it's gonna be between Boston and Cleveland. I don't like New York this year. I don't think they No, hell no.

SPEAKER_01

I had either Cleveland and San Antonio though.

SPEAKER_02

I I think I think I feel like San Antonio have the best team. I done the thing is with San Ann, San Ann got it, but I didn't seen regular season. I didn't see that regular season movie movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we've we've never seen him and we've never seen him yet.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't seen that regular season movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

When that game slowed down and you got them motherfuckers that been there, floor shrink. You ain't about to be brand. Now, Ant is the only motherfucker I seen come like when he that run he went on to yours, I ain't seen that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I don't I don't know if everything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, okay, yeah. Because I I guess the only knock I will give them is that top to bottom to me, best team, top to bottom. Yeah, I just I just don't we haven't seen Wimby and them, they ain't battle tested, you know what I'm saying? So I get them there.

SPEAKER_02

You know, we gotta take in the factors of um coaching, you know what I mean? Yeah, the San Antonio that we respect, that this is a new whole regime.

SPEAKER_01

You know what I mean? Whole new regime, all rookie, everything.

SPEAKER_02

They gotta show us that that they're capable of doing that, and then we can start putting our money on them.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Yeah, I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that. So yeah, yeah. Well, I I yeah, I said San Antonio and Cleveland. I want to say Sixers because I do feel like they have. Yeah, I want I do too, but in terms of best four, give me them four over the next every anybody else four.

SPEAKER_02

It's like I can't bang on Joel playing every game of every series, so yeah. You know, he's tripping fall, he's out for a week.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, fuck that nigga probably out doing something right now. Nigga pick up the remote wrong. Fingernail fall off. You know what I mean? Six games. You know what I mean? The type of nigga he is. Uh so listen, man, I gotta say, bro, always, you know what I'm saying? Outside of it goes without saying, because you know there's be homies in real life, bro. Absolutely. Always good seeing you talking to you, even this is being different because we've never done this before. Yeah, yeah. We've never done this before. Yeah, you gave the people something nice, right here. I ain't gonna lie. I'm trying, man. I'm trying to, you know what I'm saying? We they they they need it, you know what I'm saying? Uh but again, bro, love having you on. You know, it was always love uh with us. And hopefully, you know, we think the last time we we get to do this and shit, but it's not the last time.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? We we we give y'all what y'all need. But again, yeah, appreciate you, bro. As always, man.

SPEAKER_02

I um I appreciate you for having me. Um, you know, even dating back when we first got started, I appreciate you, you know, advocating for me when you did, you know, shit like that. You know, got me. You you you part of help get me to this point too, you know. So, you know, I'm always appreciative. Yeah, always, you know, you a good guy. This is this is a good dude right here, y'all. Tapped in with time flies, comment, like, subscribe.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they up there up there while my boy and Mona Love Me. They're running through the prompts. You know what I'm saying? Running through the prompts. But have been with my boy, man. My man, my bro Phelps, he would go, man. So tapped in with time flies, another edition. I'll catch y'all next time. And we locked in. We about to drink and then talk some real shit. Yeah, we're gonna off the off cam.

SPEAKER_02

That's coming on his subscription in a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, subscribe soon. I holler at y'all.