Tapped In with Tom Flies - Ep 3

The Return of the Villains: Drake Season, Steak 48 Drama, & Relationship Traumas

After a brief hiatus, Time Flies is back and fully tapped in. Host Tom Flies is joined by returning favorite Bang and first-time guest Shay to clear the air, talk music history, and break down why they completely refuse to feed into the industry's obsession with controversial, "messy" media.

Inside this episode, you’ll discover:

• The Drake Stimulus Package: A deep dive into Drake’s massive three-album drop (Iceman, Maid of Honor, and Habibti). The crew discusses the 2024 beef aftermath, why "the villains won," and why casual fans completely misunderstand professional songwriting credits and samples.
• The Steak 48 Dress Code Controversy: Unpacking the viral TikTok drama. Shay shares her perspective on body shaming and inconsistency in high-end venues, while Bang introduces a hilarious take on the reality of "special treatment" and corporate restaurant politics.
• The Worst Post-Breakup Crash Outs: Real stories from the room—including a Saturday night broken door standoff and a Christmas tree flying out of a window five days before the holiday.
• The 2026 Dating Landmine: Shay gets transparent about self-sabotage, dealing with shape-shifting men, and why she values her nervous system's peace over relationship games.

Hit play and tap into the real conversation.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Don't touch that down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

I was raised on the first strip down Broad Street. You know that I can't switch with it. Lock again because it's game fit. It's time flies. I know what to do. Faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster.

unknown 0:32

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_06 0:33

After very uh small hiatus, we're back on Tap Dimmer Time Flies. We're gonna get like cue cards. I told you, one day we're gonna fit we're gonna pack this bitch out for like a live studio audience. I think people waiting for a certain episode with a certain person for me to do that, but I'm gonna I'm gonna get ahead of it and do it myself. Fuck that. Um welcome to Tat Dem with Time Flies, though. Um It's going for a couple weeks, man. It's been a very hectic uh month for me so far. Um I really don't have much input to add on that. Just know it's been a hectic month for me. And we'll just leave it at that. Uh I'm joined by well, y'all familiar with Bang. Bang is back. I had to invite bro back up here because we just people appreciate his opinion. And when we talk about music, uh need an artist's perspective on everything and somebody that's also knowledgeable on music. So let's let's make some noise for Bang one time, bro. Back up here.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

We gotta give me that uh that 90 sitcom intro from background.

SPEAKER_06 1:41

I know we do. We're gonna we're gonna add the uh laugh track in the back. Don't worry about it. I don't give a fuck if it's two people in here. And my dog Shay is up here because again, we didn't want to make this. It was gonna be, I text him like it's gonna be very, very just man ego, man misogyny. I don't want to do none of that. So let's try to, you know what I'm saying? Somebody who I respect. Yeah, that's somebody who I respect and is knowledgeable on topics and just everything that I want to discuss. Uh, I feel like she's a perfect fit to uh join us up here. So make some noise for Shay, y'all. If we if we get too out of line, please just feel free to let us know.

SPEAKER_08 2:21

You know I'm unhinged.

SPEAKER_06 2:22

I know that, but I just had to say that for the camera so they know I was being, you know. How everybody feeling though. I want to always get into higher by feeling higher by weekend. Uh what mind space is everybody in before we get into the topics of the day. Um we can start with ladies first know you. Come on, we ain't gonna do that.

SPEAKER_08 2:36

I feel good.

SPEAKER_06 2:37

Okay. Um is this your first podcast?

SPEAKER_08 2:40

It is.

SPEAKER_06 2:41

Oh, come on. Time, a lot of first. Man, come on now. I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_08 2:46

Yeah, I know. Um, not like that. But yeah, I feel good. Okay. I'm trying to get some more money though.

SPEAKER_06 2:52

Okay. I'm never mad at that. It's like 95 degrees outside.

SPEAKER_08 2:55

That's like what be on my mind for all the time.

SPEAKER_06 2:58

Okay, all right. How you feeling, bro?

SPEAKER_05 3:00

I'm feeling good, man. That's a good good way to start the week. Pop shit, talk shit over here.

SPEAKER_06 3:06

You know, we we slipping.

SPEAKER_05 3:08

So You know.

SPEAKER_06 3:09

I ain't gonna say what.

SPEAKER_05 3:12

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 3:13

But you know, we we it might kick in later on the pod. We start getting a little uh too uh passionate on certain things. Uh last episode, they they really enjoy our perspective from everything. So I want to kind of keep this shit flowing. Um by the way, I had a talk with somebody who I respect in the game, somebody who came up with me at the same time in the industry. And he's he's launching a podcast where he's kind of stepping back into the forefront of things, somebody who I respect, a friend of mine. Um and we had a conversation earlier today and kind of spoke to the same sentiment, so I made sure it's not just me that feels like a lot of what this space has become nowadays is is a lot of just controversial and theatrical shit that we are not standing for, which he kind of made me kind of feel comfortable because I kind of came over here and said that my first episode, which is a lot of people was like, Oh, when you get out there, people want to hear messy shit. And I'm just like, I'm a man, bro. Right. Messy shit. Like, I'm not they want to know how you feel about this person, or you know what I'm saying? I'm just like, I'm never giving y'all that. So he kind of spoke to the same sentiment, bro, and it was like, yeah, so I want to shout him out. Um his podcast, I'm not gonna say right now, but when his podcast do drop, you probably should see bro on here um in the future. So much much love to uh to him and uh his endeavors. We'll get more on that as time comes, but I just wanted to shout that out real quick. Um I mean, we can't start the podcast without getting into the obvious, very super obvious. It's Drake season, right? For sure. Right, it's Drake. Always Drake season. Right. All you Kendrick Lamar niggas. Oh, Crip walk somewhere. I don't know. She said it not me. Then the women really, the women really wasn't. I ain't gonna lie, it's 50-50 with me with how I see the split with like Kendrick Drake as far as the women. Typically, I thought I would see more of like the women on like the Drake side, but I was surprised to see like I ain't surprised.

SPEAKER_05 5:04

You ain't no what what like that's his whole fan base is women. Like the cool, like the the guys fuck with him, obviously, but the women don't play about that boy, bro. They go crazy over him.

SPEAKER_08 5:18

Yeah, I don't I don't I know I don't play about Arby at all.

SPEAKER_05 5:21

See, look, she dropped the government at the first name.

SPEAKER_06 5:25

Um Drake dropped three albums last last week. Um Iceman, obviously, which we knew it was coming, but he surprised us the night before with Maid of Honor. And anybody want to pronounce the third one, please feel free. Habipti?

SPEAKER_07 5:40

Habibti?

SPEAKER_06 5:41

Habibie Habibti Okay what they say, whatever they say. Yeah, which uh one was I mean primarily focused on the rapping aspect, the other was RB, and I guess the third Habib. They're like a like pop-ish club type of uh dance hall. House music. Right, uh, which is what we seen with uh Honestly Nevermind. So I guess him just combining all three of like his genres into just which I thought was like a great, great surprise draw.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

There's some good dance hall records on there too.

SPEAKER_06 6:10

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now I'm gonna be real before we get into just because I don't think we need to focus on what's the name of that thing? Habib Habib Habibti. Anytime I need to reference it, I'm gonna just point to you. I don't really feel like it was a lot to digest with that. I will we will speak on all three, but just in terms of what like the talking points and everything, we kind of was waiting to hear from him or on Iceman to me. For sure. I can say but when we do need to reference everything, we'll we'll get there, and I'll point to you and you fill fill in the blanks. Um but just as far as Iceman goes, um I'm 18 songs. Um I want to get to y'all first on just first impression, first reaction when you heard how does how does everybody feel overall just about that album?

SPEAKER_05 6:53

It's like when you see somebody beat beat like a bully up, but like in this story, like the bully is like the industry. Like, so that's the front of real. Yeah, it's like he on some defiant shit, but it's like in a way of like where you rarely see people like kind of like cover all the boards and like really come out with the win all the way across the board, like to me anyway. Cause like people always like, I mean, rapping ability is subjective as far as like who people say is better or best. As far as like what niggas get into this shit for, like, as men, like who got the biggest car, who got the most money, who got the biggest house, who put the who put the most niggas on? Like, that nigga did that shit. Like, yeah, not to me niggas that can say like or measure up to like the shit that he did, the impact he had on the game. And this nigga really just froze the whole shit.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Like, yeah. Wait, before we before I get to you, uh Shay, who do we feel like won that won the battle though? Like, who do you who do y'all feel like going back to 2024? Like, who do you feel like came out victorious on top of?

SPEAKER_05 7:55

Drake. I feel like Drake won a battle, but you can't knock that it was Kendrick moment in general.

SPEAKER_06 8:00

Like, they could I mean that that's important in the world.

SPEAKER_05 8:03

I don't want to sound like cliche, but it's like once you get like you curate these moments. I mean, obviously the people and the fans play a part of it, but it's like the the system also like feeds the the beast, so it's like it was his moment, like you can't knock that, but I didn't I never thought that he won the beef though.

SPEAKER_06 8:22

Overall, which I I will agree with, just is in terms of just the moment, because we can't you can't knock the year that Kendrick had at following everything. So which I I mean some of it plays into just people that just was tired of Drake, I guess, and his level of arrogance and him being able to say I run the game and everything runs through me. He be him being the system, and then here's this Kendrick to come in and kind of just knock all that down, take all that away.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

Momentarily.

SPEAKER_06 8:50

She got a review for y'all. Um, but I I to me, to me, I like Kendrick, right? I preface it by saying that because nowadays you can't like both of the guys, you have to pick a side. Um I felt like Drake had the better records for me in for in in terms of the dish back and forth. Like I enjoy push-ups, I enjoyed Taylor Maid, I enjoy uh uh I enjoy uh the hard part, I could have probably was like, it was alright, it was cool, but it was like by that point I was already just done with it. It was like too many tracks. Um but Kendrick winning, I guess we we can acknowledge Kendrick coming out victorious just in terms of how he turned that moment into. But to me, I feel like Drake rapped better.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

Music was better to me. Overall, it's just like, and then you just look at like the impact of the music. Yeah, like it was a moment. Like, I'm not I'm not like a super big Kendrick fan, but I appreciate his music, but it's like after the overall moment was over, it was like he back in his shadows. It's like I feel like his music lives in a niche space, like once he's not active, it's like Drake always active.

SPEAKER_08 10:00

Yeah, it's like nobody hop in the car and be like, yo, put some Kendrick.

SPEAKER_06 10:06

They may they may do that. There's not no cars we rot in. Um but I'm glad you you said that because he kind of spoke on that in the album too, where it was like, you want to be the top dog, like you can't disappear. Like you can't go away. You know, we all know Kendrick likes to go away for two, two, three years before putting out a project. And Drake kind of like, all right, you want the spot, like this is what this is what it looks like, like being in this spot. Like, not only just putting out the music for yourself, but also helping this person out or assisting this person or jumping on somebody's track who we've never heard of. You know what I'm saying? Like kind of catapulting people to like the limelight, whereas though they two years I want to say Drake was gone, we kind of we didn't have any of that. Like it wasn't like it was kind of like a quiet space to say for music, I feel like.

SPEAKER_05 10:51

What of a superstar birthed more superstars than him?

SPEAKER_06 10:55

Nothing.

SPEAKER_05 10:56

And it's like obviously you don't you don't give him total control of these artists because obviously they was good in their own right, popular in their own right. Well, we know that stimulus package exists. But yeah, that Drake stimulus just hit different. Once he acknowledged you, whether it's him playing your song, whether him getting on your song, whether him using your cadence or whatever the case people want to say, they say he's stealing. I don't call it stealing because if you're an artist, you gonna do what you feel as though your heart wants you to do when you get in the studio. So it's like if you listen to a lot of shicago niggas or Florida niggas, you might try some shit that they be doing. Yeah. Like, yeah, what's just it's no knock on no artists that do that. I hate when people do that to any artist.

SPEAKER_06 11:37

It's just to discredit niggas they don't like. That's all it is. Yeah. It ain't no real because like I said, if you grew up on music, if you grew up on hip hop, right, that that's literally been happening since the beginning of time. You know what I'm saying? Um, how do y'all how was um initial reaction though to hearing it? Like, let's just let's just speak on Iceman just primarily before we get to the other two. I was loving it. I love when the bad guys win.

SPEAKER_08 12:01

That's just yeah, the villains.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

What was your what was your um say what would how did you what was like your what track stood out to you that you was listening to? You was like, uh I'm I'm fucking with it.

SPEAKER_08 12:13

All of them. I really may be being biased, but I fuck with all of them. That's fine. I didn't skip anything. Okay. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:24

D do y'all feel like did y'all see come some of the narratives saying that they feel like uh it was kind of like just a mashup of like like Drake's albums aren't like cohesive enough where it's just like a mixture of like just songs and tracks?

SPEAKER_05 12:37

How is it not if you're not first of all the song titles alone is goes together. Like just if you just read all the titles lined up, they all go together. Then when you go into the to the dynamics of like each song, the meaning behind each song, the song after each song, like when you hear a song, and then the song following, then the subject matter, and then the layering of each song and the meaning, who he dissing, how he dissed them, what he referencing, the time periods he referencing, like niggas forget.

SPEAKER_08 13:08

People not really listening. They just they turn it on, but they not really listening. Like make them pay, it was a good joint.

SPEAKER_06 13:14

Oh, yeah, no, for sure. Those type of things, I think Dream's a good one. Any of those tracks where addressing everything is always uh thumbs up for me. Yeah, definitely. Um, like I said, you're not gonna like all 18 songs though, just as a consumer, like as a fan, you're not gonna like all eight. You're not gonna like all 40. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be some ones you fuck with more than you do the others, but I feel like a lot of stand culture for me kind of ruined everything for me in like music. Like this super stan, like now we just overchecking everything. Now we dissecting everything. Now it's just too much of like not, it goes beyond just being a fan of the music. Like you can like a person, but now it's like fuck that nigga, man, fuck his mom. Like a bunch of just like shit that like we we just don't, I don't give a fuck about none of this. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like when do we get this weird over shit, bro?

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Like, just I mean niggas was always this weird, but now they could just tell everybody.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

Yeah, well, stop telling us shit.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

Like, like before you got figured niggas go argue with their big brothers, they older cousins, and niggas in neighborhood, and then they would just never mind them. But now it's like they could just tell the whole world, and like it's gonna be some dumb people that think like them that's gonna root them on. They mind of their own.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

Yeah, like yo, it's it's not I I seen some tweets that was like pulling up like the uh credits on like certain songs, and you know, people being credited as writers, right? But and then like, oh, we got fucking 11 writers on this song, and I'm like, it's a sample on the track. Uh you off you have to credit who's who was sampled, and then who was sampled from that thing. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 14:40

Like, it's not just people don't under that's what I'm saying. They they think that they know, but they don't know. It's like if Tom writer song right now, you write a song, you make a song, let's just say this 1975. You wrote some shit, you you wrote, you wrote the lyrics, you produced the song, boom. Now in 2000, now she sampled it. Yep. Now that's two different people. So but when she sampled in there with her, she sampled your song and your beat, but then she tweaked the lyrics a little bit. So now I gotta give you credit and her credit and her credit and whoever else that's maybe collabing in the room with me. Whether people don't understand when you're professionally making music, once somebody adds an idea to the music, if you're doing the business correctly, then they can get credit for helping on the song. They're part of it. People don't understand that. That's why most big artists don't even want people in a room. Yeah, because it becomes a slippery slope when somebody says, Hey, you know, I think I like the better when you said it that way.

SPEAKER_06 15:37

Anything you anything you contribute in that room, if you throw a word out there, exactly, and people don't understand that it gets messy.

SPEAKER_05 15:43

So it's like you don't you never really know. You don't know what somebody's contributing, you just know that they they might have collabed or contributed to something to the song. You don't know what that something is.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

That's why you can't have these conversations with casual fans of music because they don't get into it's all surface level shit. Like it's not like the depths of what happened, how this was arranged. It's like I'm reading shit and it almost caught me where I'm like, I just gotta get off this ad because I'm gonna be in here talking to 50 different niggas who don't give a fuck about what I got to say back. Because they're it's already set in stone what they mind made up already. You know what I'm saying? Like they don't give a fuck, it's fuck Drake. Fuck him.

SPEAKER_05 16:15

When albums drop that I care for, I give them like curated time for me to like digest it, because I'm an artist. Yeah, so I want to hear the subliminals, I want to hear the triples, the double entanges, the quadruple entangres. Like, I'm that's what I'm here for. Like, so I it's like going to school for me. I'm taking notes. I'm seeing, like, all right, I'm gonna go back. Then he referenced this, then he referenced that. Oh shit. Then, like, like social media helped because, like, you say you got all these different breakdowns and shit like that. All these different fans that's giving you the different layers where you're like, oh shit, I ain't even catch that bar. Damn, I ain't even catch that bar. Then I did catch that, but then that's a double. So it's like people just don't really want to enjoy the music. You can judge it if it's good or bad. I mean, that's cool, but overall, like, what do you get from it? Yeah, like that's when I listen to music, like I'm looking to get something from it. I'm not looking to judge it.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

If if I if my ears and my body tell me I don't want to hear this shit, I'm just gonna turn it off. I'm not about to listen to five songs just to tell you how much I hate it.

SPEAKER_06 17:17

Yeah, it's like it's like I'm just going, you'll never see me go to the internet or wherever a public platform with my opinion on if it's some shit I don't fuck with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I could not fuck with it, and that just be it. I'll leave it alone. I'm not going there to say nothing. You know what I'm saying? Because I think people just that's that's where we at today, sadly. Like, that's where we at where I'm fuck this nigga, I'm gonna shit on this shit. Like, it's I'm not fucking with it. Like, I don't know. I wanna know how y'all feel about him, him and future getting back together. That being the first public.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Well, we changed like that.

SPEAKER_06 17:47

You don't like you don't like them song or them them two reuniting.

SPEAKER_08 17:49

I think what he should have did was there is a lot going like in a back, like behind the scenes. I don't know if it's legally, like if you could do it legally, but I feel like he should have dissed him on a song, changed his verses, you know what I'm saying? Like, he should have, you know what I'm saying? Like, if the evil laugh, yeah. I feel like if you forgive him, you need to forgive everybody.

SPEAKER_06 18:12

No, uh, but not gonna lie, you from the beginning called me a pedophile on 13 songs and two bull fuck the nigga up.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

No, not him. But Pluto ain't do that though. And and from the beginning, he was always saying that his beef was never with the future. It was just like he had like a talk. And I mean, you got to, as men as men, yeah. Men always gonna have that talk. It's not as all long and drawn out, it's more so like it's easy to get past, like once men decide to get past certain shit, it's kind of easy. It's it's really just like a a drink, a smoke, a deck. Like uh, I was tripping, and that's it. Like, cause we are men already know like what you did. Like, if you did something to me or I did something to you, we already know what that was. So it's like it's not really like we don't gotta hark on it.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

Especially, especially if they shit were because they shots they even sent back and forth during the this wasn't even like nothing crazy. It just was like, damn, you hurt my feelings more than it was anything else. Like, damn, bro, like future saying you was my biggest fan, and him saying, nigga, I gave you your first number one. It was like literally, it wasn't like shit that was like deep, it was shit we can get over. Like, so I feel like I always felt like if anybody was going, like the first people to kind of bury the hatch in that beef was gonna be them too. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Because it seemed more genuine than ever than all the other relationships. Yeah, it seemed really like real deal, genuine.

SPEAKER_08 19:27

It's a good duo too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:30

Did y'all do y'all like the song overall?

SPEAKER_06 19:32

I like the hell.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

You like it? I like the video fire too. And that's another thing, too. Like, he took the theme. I like that he took the theme like all the way to 10. Like, he didn't have the message. Yeah, he didn't have step on no part of the theme. Like, he took the Iceman theme all the way to the top. Like, if you watch the video, like everybody got thermal images except him. Like, so like just little shit like that. I live for shit like that. Like, I'm all about the theatrics.

SPEAKER_06 20:01

How do y'all feel about him addressing Rick Rose, him addressing just how we felt, and him addressing DJ Khaled, I guess, all in the comments. I feel like you gotta understand, bro.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

When you just like everybody that helped people on a small scale, big scale, whatever. But when you like the person that helped people, like and like give away shit, like you like, how dare you like the authenticity? Yeah, it's like I I kind of gave you my hand-me-downs type shit. Like, obviously, they stars in their own right, but we we not gonna act like he didn't help their careers, you feel me? It's a whole lot of difference, and like he's been saying his whole career is like he can't really get no like what favors can he really get from niggas like as far as music goes. I'm not saying other like shit, but like as far as music goes, like what nigga could really give him a song that's gonna help him.

SPEAKER_06 20:52

Yeah, it's like like y'all, I can't, I can't you can't give me a song, and I and you it's like it's like a verse for a verse, that should not add up.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 21:03

So it's like um do you do you I feel like the Kyle shit kind of called me off guard though. Um, because I was wondering, because you seen during the height of all of it, Kyler was gearing up to drop his project, which we still haven't got. He was going on, I got two Drake features, I got two Drake verses, and Drake, like, oh bro, oh whoa, I ain't never you got them from where? Like, it must be Drake Bell. Like, yeah, so because I was like, well, I wonder, I wonder what's the like what's happening between them two in between everything, but him kind of saying, I guess when the beef was hit, a lot of niggas just went went silent when dark won't even wasn't like speaking to him even um or speaking up, I guess, for on his end of it. It was all yeah, just oh damn, we all just gonna on Drake's side. I mean on Kendrick's side on the other side of it.

SPEAKER_05 21:46

Cause being quiet is kind of all in my eyes, being if you for say you fuck with me, being quiet is the same as saying what they saying.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

I and I don't know if he viewing it like that, but it seemed like that's the way he viewing it, like, yeah, like being Quiet is the same as saying that shit. It's like how you ain't gonna speak up for me. Like, yeah, I I would expect if a nigga saying some shit about me, if you say you fuck me, I you supposed to be like, Well, no, that ain't the bang. I know, I don't know what you talking about. Now you could say that could be your experience, but my experience is this it's like niggas wasn't saying that.

SPEAKER_06 22:18

You you can't not say nothing for me, and then also go on and start saying shit like I got two Drake versus like pussy, what the f where you was at for the now it's like because he know niggas using them, but it's like don't misuse me.

SPEAKER_05 22:29

Yeah, because like I said, he's so big that it's kind of it's it's never gonna be equal as far as like the give and take of what he getting from the people that he got relationships with as far as music goes. So it's like he know that it's some like level of usage, but it's like when motherfuckers is like this.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

Like, yeah, I guess like Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

When you start treating me like I'm just a favor and nothing else, that's when it gets like kind of sticky.

SPEAKER_06 22:53

How y'all feel about the Rick, the him, his Rick Ross? They they back and forth, because Ross ain't put his phone down yet. And I let me prep I fuck with Ross, so I don't I'm not on either side of anything, but just speaking to just the beef, though, the back and forth between them two. That was kind of always odd to me too, because I was like, all right, how did Ross even, you know what I'm saying? Like, even get in the middle of everything. And then hearing what I guess the beginning or how he even inserted himself was over some him and Drake and French Montana shit. Yeah. It's like it's I'm kind of not Ross don't, you know, I know he will see everything, but it's like, bro, like, yeah, no, yourself in some shit that had nothing to really do with you. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 23:33

I think Ross just the type of person he like, I feel like people don't give him the like look at him the same as Boosie, but he always been like that type of person that just like say what's on his mind. I feel like it's just it just happened to be about Drake, but I feel like in every instance he always kind of give his two cents. I just feel like this one of the times where like it was just like super highlighted.

SPEAKER_06 23:56

Yeah. How you how you feel about it, uh?

SPEAKER_08 23:59

I didn't even know how it like originated.

SPEAKER_06 24:01

I think a lot of people didn't feel for real.

SPEAKER_08 24:03

I feel like it just was like I feel like beefs just be popping out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_06 24:08

Yeah, and then at least Yeah, I um it it kind of it was it was very odd to me. Um, and I'm pretty sure it pride him too, because it's like nigga, where you come from? Like what beef what happened between me and you, like, but to hear him say like it started with a I guess just between French Montana, him not clearing a verse for French or whatever the case may be, is like still has nothing like to do with you directly, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 24:31

So I got a question. So do you think like they don't talk with each other behind closed doors first, they just go publicly and say certain things, and that's where you know.

SPEAKER_06 24:41

Oh, I feel like a lot of these niggas can't wait to that's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 24:46

Like if you got somebody's number, you can hit them up. Why not speak?

SPEAKER_05 24:49

Yeah, but with niggas ego, you gotta think it's like niggas ego is so bruised, so it's like everybody you you in a and once you become a celebrity, you in a land where everybody feels like they the most important. So like hitting somebody and not getting a response in a proper amount of time, or have a nigga like turning some shit into beef, all because you didn't respond fast enough, or you didn't get back to them, or they sent you a song and you didn't respond fast enough or you didn't get it back to them fast enough, and then that's beefing itself. So it's just like it's all about like what type of person you is, honestly.

SPEAKER_08 25:25

Like it's like if you could get mad that quickest, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:28

It's like you've been that's yeah, it's like it almost almost make you think like you've been feeling like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you've been feeling like that.

SPEAKER_08 25:34

You couldn't wait, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 25:35

Yeah, yeah, you'd be surprised how many times that happened, and niggas like it don't make it to like the super public, but like people in the industry be like, yeah, they just wasn't fucking with each other and then they got a song together. So it's like that shit just weird.

SPEAKER_06 25:47

Yeah, it's it's again, and then like you jumped out, you jumped out and I guess took a stance for for your folks, but then it's like at the same breath during the verses, French was like, no, me and Drake cool. Like, yeah, he said that he said I ain't tripping. Yeah, I wasn't tripping about it. So it's like you you know.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

But that but that but that's the I mean it it's like devil's advocate. It's like because French understand, like, I'm I mean, I'm just I'm not I wanna speak for him, but just from my viewpoint, it seemed like French understand the business. Yeah, so it's like I'm never gonna sh like basically put that out into the world. Even if I feel like that, I'm never gonna put that out into the world. Because it could be some, you feel me, some rekindling there if I don't speak ill. Right now, Ross, on the other hand, he might feel like I don't give a fuck. Yeah, is that I don't give a fuck. It is. Because everybody not gonna be PC. So it's like it's all about how how much do you value the relationship? I feel like French value that relationship a lot.

SPEAKER_06 26:40

Which I I do respect how French move during that whole thing. It's like, all right, you might not get your verse this year, bro, but later on down the line, you know, that ain't we ain't ruling it out altogether. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 26:49

And I fuck with French how French move, because he never really like outside of like his early days when he was on his DVD beef shit, like far as like when he got in the game game, like French never really was on that. Like about chasing and he kind of always kept a player.

SPEAKER_06 27:04

Yeah, I respect that. A lot of niggas to me just show, I'm not speaking, I'm speaking in general, just to not nobody directly, but just like niggas really be on like some weirdo shit to me. Like it's like you ain't like you could be neutral and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like you it even you ain't gotta or ain't no such thing. It but it should be though, because just because y'all two ain't I that don't mean I gotta fuck with either one of y'all more than I do the other. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:29

That's a deal because at the end of the day, bro, we just gotta be real. Power is power. If you become the biggest podcaster nigga right now, you're gonna expect niggas to treat you a certain way to be in your good graces, not because take a nick for now from niggas. I mean, yeah, because you because you understand your value and you making my point. So it's like if I'm valuable in any sort, I'ma expect you to treat me in your good graces and not want to accept me knowing you're gonna come ask me for a favor. Now, if you know you're not never coming to ask me for no favors or to ask me for anything, then you're free to give me your free opinion. But we all know the average person don't want to hear no negative shit if you're gonna be coming with your handout later. That's just that's just what it is. Be a yes man. It's not necessarily it's not necessarily a yes man, but it's just like do you feel like you want to burn that bridge? Like, let's just be for real.

SPEAKER_08 28:19

I feel like that just goes like it all turns back to the other person in their character. Like, you should be able to take opinions uh from especially from your friends, your hands.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

Like, I get what you're saying, but she's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_05 28:32

Yeah, I mean, yeah, in your circle, yeah. But I'm saying if if we just okay and you and you and somebody say something, all right. Let's just say you do you do hair, right? No, I do lashes. Or lashes. All right, so let's just say I'm that I'm your friend, you feel me? Uh a random girl or another homegirl that I know is like, yo, um, I wanted to go get my lashes done by her, but I don't know. I kind of heard they kind of messed up. Now, me knowing you and having a relationship with you, even if I heard somebody else say they came to you and got their lashes messed up, I'm not about to volunteer the information. If she heard that on her own, that's cool. Yeah. If she be like, oh no, you heard oh no, I'm I mean, I'm not a girl, I don't get lashes, so I wouldn't know. Now that automatically takes me out of the situation. Now I could easily say what I heard, right? And that hurts you. Now you like, damn, I thought you fucked with me. Even if you heard that, you couldn't keep that to yourself. You see how it looked, and you see now it changed the whole dynamic, where it's like if you fuck with me, you ain't gotta volunteer or add no negativity to whatever I got going on. You could just, you feel me, get out the way. And I feel like that's most people they always feel like, oh, it won't. They was already saying it. So why my little two cents gotta hurt you more than what they said, because I held you to a higher standard.

SPEAKER_06 29:47

And it also made me look at you differently as a man, though. It's just like certain, like I don't know. Like, I certain shit, like I ain't gotta speak for it. You know what I'm saying? Same thing you say. I ain't I'm not, I don't have to speak to it just because I can y'all can be having that same conversation. You heard the same shit she heard, you know, exactly. I'm gonna be dead silent, you know.

SPEAKER_08 30:01

Nick is goals, that's towards their character, like you that's being at that point.

SPEAKER_06 30:05

Like I just it just it just made me look at niggas' characters like just a little like like side eye a little bit. Like, I guess, but also it's you personalize it too, because it's certain shit you wouldn't do, you know. I'm saying like as a you just yeah, certainly I wouldn't do that, but if that's that's that's how you rock then.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

But I ain't gonna be no liar and act like I if I get the power, I'm not gonna flex it. Oh no, for sure. I feel like people be trying to dress it up and like no, when you get when you got the ball, get there to know how that's you this shit is an art of war, bro. When you get the ball, you want people to always feel like they gotta say what they gotta say to your face. Because if they don't, it's gonna get back to you. That's what keep motherfuckers in line. When everybody knows that if it's four motherfuckers in the room, we all fuck with Bang. But he fuck with Tom a little bit more. He be with cuz every Tuesday, they go to the gym, he be with her sometimes on Thursday. It's like, okay, y'all are more likely to be on the up and up and feel like y'all gotta come to me and say it because if y'all don't and y'all say it around anybody else, they gonna tell me and that's gonna make y'all look nutty. So it's like, damn, yeah, for sure. I might and we might be drunk right now, and I'll be like, da da da da. And you might leave out the room and I say some shit, and I'll be like, damn, I just said that in front of them. I gotta say this shit now when Tom comes back, so they know that it ain't no, you feel me? Because that's how the lines get crossed.

SPEAKER_06 31:22

Yeah, no, no, I I'm not, I'm not mad at that. I just I don't know. I just want men to just be men. Like, I mean, it's it's subjective, but I mean, just the way I was raised and the way I was brought up, and just my character speaks to just like I don't, we we I'm just going whatever we gotta talk about, whatever hive I feel about you, even if I don't fuck with you, just because he don't fuck with you don't mean I gotta add now. He feels like, oh yo, I'll fuck this nigga. I'm like, yeah, no, fuck that nigga, bro. Like, like, no, I can still play neutral in it. But I get what you're saying, though. I get I just feel like it is thing is neutral because it's it should be though. It it it really should be how because I should be able to fuck with both of y'all.

SPEAKER_05 31:57

All right, in business or in life? Because in business, yeah, in neutral, yes. In business, separating the two, whatever helps the bottom line.

SPEAKER_06 32:06

This is business for me. Like that's business.

SPEAKER_05 32:08

So that's business, yeah. Whatever helps the bottom line, you take your emotions and your feelings out of it. But in real life, I feel like but even business is real life, because it's like, all right, if I'm trying to take over a lot of people, I feel like you almost damn there gotta pick a shot in real life. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm trying to take over a company or if I'm trying to corner the market to that aspect, the business. Then yeah, that's different.

SPEAKER_06 32:28

You don't want to be a nigga, you get shot for playing the middle.

SPEAKER_05 32:30

Yeah, but it's like if if I know that you fucking with this person that's trying to bring harm or devalue my life, and you standing next to that person, it's hard for me to look at you, not look at you sideways. Yeah. Because it's like, like he said, niggas tried to burn his his house down. Like, come on, bro. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 32:49

Niggas saying all types of shit, nigga.

SPEAKER_05 32:51

Fuck yeah, I ain't gonna nigga put the fucking predator drone over his crib.

SPEAKER_06 32:56

Yeah, you call me you call me that in on a super in the Super Bowl and on commercials and just the world singing, bro. It's uh it's uh that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

Like in his eyes, like he feel like this was coordinated.

SPEAKER_06 33:09

This was it feel like it was coordinated though. I mean, I honestly is that's why he said I'm not suing no rapper. I'm I'm going against the the labels. Yeah, I'm going at the man. It's bigger than Lil'Cuz. For sure. You know what I'm saying? No disrespect. But he's talking about no disrespect. It's bigger than him, bro. This ain't got nothing to do with him. This is bigger than that. And when you look at it, it's like the more you know about just the industry and how things work behind the scenes, the more it was it's prevalent to understand and get it. You know what I'm saying? It's like a take for me and you done had to know the inside to know that's exactly what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

I mean, the Apple halftime show, Dre, part of Apple, he part of Interscope, Jimmy Ivean. It's like that's yeah, I mean we speaking to people that don't really give a fuck about they just want it, they don't like him because a home run for everybody on board. That's what I'm saying. You can't knock his moment, but overall, in the grand scheme of things, I just don't, like you said, you hit that man didn't lose nothing.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

Yeah. Yeah, I I I feel like it. I think I gotta um, but I'm I'm definitely, it's too early for me to give a review like in totality, like how I feel. I I would I wouldn't do it any justice if I came here and said it's a it's a classic or five. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm fucking with it right now, but I still feel like it's too early to judge it. Yeah, I'll give it a few more plays.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

What's your standout track so far though?

SPEAKER_06 34:28

Well, I love shebang. I love shebang. I love if we're talking about just overall three of them, I love classic, I love I'm spent.

SPEAKER_08 34:34

Classic is a classic, I'm sorry. It is.

SPEAKER_05 34:37

What's your standout track?

SPEAKER_08 34:39

Classic for sure is one of them.

SPEAKER_06 34:41

And that's on uh That's Habibti.

SPEAKER_08 34:45

I don't know how to pronounce it. Habibti. Yeah, I love classic. That was on repeat.

SPEAKER_06 34:50

You don't like I'm spent with uh with Lowe?

SPEAKER_08 34:53

It's okay. I feel like it's a couple of songs already out that sound like that.

SPEAKER_06 34:58

I feel like yeah, I think that's his sound. That's more like his sound. But I feel like I seen a lot of women everywhere, just that's their go-to. Like that record. Um It's crazy, like B's on the table, bro.

SPEAKER_05 35:10

That's on the table. Because that second verse, it's like it really, it really he really goes into the business of it. It's like bro, like we talking, yeah, like we talking different type of numbers, and they trying to devalue me because they know that it's time to pay up. And it's like we not talking millions no more. We talk about it. No, we're talking billions. Like, yeah, like this is billion dollar conversations. Don't worry, y'all not even that, bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 35:37

Niggas is on surface level. When you realize the moment I realized we all not on the same level capacity thinking, and where we are in our mindset, the more I was eating, I'm not having these conversations with certain niggas. Like, we ain't gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

He's on the table and plot to us. That the second verse and plot to us really stand out to me too.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

You feel like it's gonna be a Drake summer? Do we feel like do we feel like he kinda he kind of running away right now?

SPEAKER_08 36:01

He won people back over, I feel like.

SPEAKER_06 36:03

He ain't never really lose me. Pause.

SPEAKER_08 36:05

I know, not me. Not me, but I'm saying the masses. Yeah, you know, they were switching and all that.

SPEAKER_06 36:11

Yeah, I definitely you definitely see the see the uh change in people's uh tone. Demeanors, yeah. Yeah, just a lot of just they switching back talking and speaking, but you gotta you kinda got to this again. This is he's it's no chink in his armor. Like you could say maybe an overall in the grand scheme of things, but Drake and who stopped fucking with him anymore, any less? Like, I don't care if he lost a battle. Like, yeah I'm turning this shit all the way up.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

What was the best part of the rollout to you?

SPEAKER_06 36:38

I like well, I liked everything. I like I like the fact that he got to traditional like a rollout. Mine is putting a single out. I guess if you want to count what did I miss as a single, because that's the song came out months before, but just in general, just the ice downtown and having to melt to get the date. Like just shit that like built anticipation for like to me the the stream shit, I could have did. I don't really, I wasn't really tapped into them joints when he was doing it. The stream was fired. To me, the best I like it, but I wasn't really, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 37:04

The best shit to me was probably freezing the CN Tower. Yeah, that was freezing the seats and the directors arena.

SPEAKER_06 37:12

Like all the whole rollout to me was just like every now and he was sprinkling some shit in. It built like we don't really get that nowadays. Everybody try to do Beyoncé, we just get two weeks' notice.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Like the videos was fired too. All the visuals next.

SPEAKER_06 37:25

Man, you want the top spot, you gotta be able to put through 30 music videos for 40 songs.

SPEAKER_05 37:28

That's another thing, too, though. I feel like a lot of people don't catch uh or give them credit for though. Them Canadians, boy, they work. Like between him, the I feel like between him, Tory Lanez, and the weekend, I feel like it's no other artist that put out more music than them at that level. Why not though? I can. We can. Yeah, I was about to say, I'm just saying in general, but I separate I separate people from their personal life. I just listen to their music. I I I ain't gonna uh a musician told me a long time ago, when you listen to music, you don't listen for them to be good people, you don't listen for them to be honest people, you don't listen for them yeah, for none of that other than the music being good. So that's all I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_06 38:14

No, I'm I'm the same way. I don't really you didn't even say that, but because then somebody so you you listen to R like R. Kelly, you like you like.

SPEAKER_05 38:22

Actually, yeah, listen to the R. I listen to Puff too. Yeah, I listen to Elvis, I listen to Dr. Dre. I listen to all the niggas that did shit.

SPEAKER_06 38:31

If you want to start mentioning, and I don't want to let me let me I love black women, I love women in general, I'm an ally, all of that, right? I promise y'all. I've only ever worked with women in my career. If you've ever seen me and look up my resume, I've only ever been paired with women at the highest points in my career. So preface it by saying that that if you want to really get that technical, then you it'll be a lot of different artists. You gotta, we gotta cut out the cut out of the.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

No, we wouldn't watch movies, we wouldn't watch TV, nothing at all. Unless we would watch it.

SPEAKER_06 39:00

We wouldn't do none of that. A lot of motherfuckers that that that that we fuck with.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

So don't play that game unless somebody like like do something like to whereas though I personally feel like I don't want to support them, yeah. Then that's different. But as far as like, oh, I don't judge people and all that. If you're a fucked up person, I'ma just say that fucked up motherfucker makes some good music. Right.

SPEAKER_08 39:21

Like, it's are we perfect though?

SPEAKER_05 39:24

No. We ain't we're not gonna be.

SPEAKER_08 39:25

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

We can't we can't we put everybody everybody you gotta be perfect in in public perception in the public. Unrealistic be perfect. It's like that's unrealistic. Who else but probably Brian? Like, like on some real shit that you feel like you feel like ain't really got no, it's no stain on cuz name. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, so you mean to tell me yeah, my fucking repass, we can't step in the name of love because of you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we can't do nothing. I'm gonna play what I want. Oh, yeah, but I thought it only exists on the internet too, though. That's what I don't know. We all get it.

SPEAKER_05 39:56

We all never come on anywhere. Like, people gotta start like touching grass, bro. The internet rules don't apply in real life.

SPEAKER_06 40:05

It only lives on the internet. When niggas was telling me I was canceled, when niggas was telling me niggas told me I couldn't come.

SPEAKER_08 40:11

What niggas be telling niggas you can't come?

SPEAKER_06 40:14

Niggas was like, You can't come to Canada. That's insane. Why would I want to come to Canada? It's like, but yeah, they was telling, like, yeah, you can't, you we're gonna make sure you can't only exist on the internet, bro. Like, yeah, I'm gonna walk outside and go about my day because what y'all gonna do, baby?

SPEAKER_05 40:28

I'm not doing nothing nowhere else I wouldn't do at home as far as dealing with my safety. Yeah, anything I would do with the same safety precautions I'm gonna do at home is the same safety precautions I'ma take on a beach, on an island, in a different city, in a different town. Right, exactly. That shit is not gonna change.

SPEAKER_06 40:47

Yeah, I I I agree. I just we just gotta, again, like I speak to like the stand culture shit. We really gotta get away from that. Somehow, some way. I I think I came in here and said that I do appreciate the fact that how convenient and easy it is for everybody now to kind of get their foot in the door trying to be an entrepreneur or trying to create content, whatever the case may be, whereas though now you don't gotta you don't gotta go through the gated doors. Maybe we definitely need to start gatekeeping some shit again. No, for sure. Too many people, too many opinions, bro. Like it's too many, and it ruins it. Exactly. Too many people feel like their opinion is the opinion, though. The opinion. I don't give a fuck what you got to say, bro. I don't give a fuck about what you think about anything at all. Like, I swear to God. Like, I said a nigga say I was talking about basketball, and certainly I'm like, I can't even talk with y'all. I just gotta close this app, bro. Like, blocking niggas stand niggas.

SPEAKER_05 41:33

I just don't indulge. I just don't indulge. And no conversation. Like, you get to the point where you realize, like, it's just a lot of like people that was in them them classes that's no children.

SPEAKER_08 41:47

Yeah, I'm not in the city.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

It's like certain responses you already know what you're signing yourself up for. It's like, oh no, I'm on the city.

SPEAKER_06 41:54

You're talking to a brick wall, literally. Yeah, you can't even read, but you tell like what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_05 41:58

Comprehension is key, bro. It really is.

SPEAKER_06 42:01

Uh yeah, I guess shout out to Drake. Like, we'll we'll we'll end the Drake set on the shout out to Drake and definitely still digesting the the three albums. Go stream it if you haven't. Um he I mean he's looking to debut at number one on Billboard, to nobody's surprise.

SPEAKER_05 42:14

Like 800,000.

SPEAKER_06 42:15

I I wouldn't be surprised if he does close to a million, um, all in totality all together. And which is still just a great fucking feat because again, niggas is telling me it was over for Cudd. So it ain't never really over for a nigga that talented though.

SPEAKER_08 42:29

Yeah, how can you believe that?

SPEAKER_06 42:33

I hope he do. That's ridiculous. We do to prove niggas wrong. He will. I love his shape. She won't be a shape. I mean that shit 24-7. Uh all right, so now that we got the drink talking. Let's get some more of some some local, some local based things that we kind of always talk about pre-pod that had us kind of up at arms. We we flipping tables in his drawing, all types of shit. Uh, it was a video posted to um social media. I want to say probably originated on TikTok. I'm not on TikTok, so I quoted late. Um to where as though it was somebody uh recording in State 48. Uh and I guess the manager got into it with uh two two women that were there going there for their birthday as a birthday celebration, and they were speaking to like the dress code, and one of the women not being dressed properly for State 48's or appropriately for State 48's dress code. We all seen the video, right?

SPEAKER_07 43:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 43:29

We all seen what the what the young lady had on in the video, right? Say, I guess we can start with you, you being the the the the woman here to speak to how you feel about Elizabeth need to get sued.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Lizzie gets sued. Oh, they got they felt her name on it.

SPEAKER_08 43:42

Yeah, her name, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:42

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_08 43:43

Um, they were definitely discriminating. I think honestly, it was more so like body shaming because I went a few years and I didn't have nothing on. Like I thought they was gonna stop me from my birthday and they let me. Go in. And I just feel like what she had on was appropriate. She had on jeans that didn't have rips in them. She had boots. She had on a um strapless top, but it wasn't showing nothing for her shoulders. So it was like, what's the problem? And the girl, the actual birthday girl, I thought they were talking about her because she had her cleavage out, she had the shorts. It was just ass backwards. And Lizzie couldn't explain like why Lizzie, Lizzie ain't know what the fuck she was talking about, honestly.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

It kinda wait, I want to get your opinion before.

SPEAKER_05 44:28

Um, I mean, honestly, I'm like on a fence. Obviously, like I think the main problem is just like the inconsistency of like the dress code. Yeah, it's like when when when y'all wanna picking and choosing when y'all don't want to because obviously that video kind of told on them when you see the other people in the back.

SPEAKER_06 44:45

You see niggas in the back walking out with fucking duffel bags and that kind of cookies, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:50

That cook tights, yeah, that's bicycle shorts. And it's like what's going on here? Because I get it, like you don't just want people just dressed any any old way, but you gotta be consistent.

SPEAKER_08 45:02

You gotta enforce it. You gotta be consistent with everybody, no matter the race, no matter the the body type.

SPEAKER_06 45:10

I I what I will say is I agree, I agree with both of y'all. I think we all kind of share the same stance here. Um it's too inconsistent for me. Like it's too like don't tell me this because like I said, I don't think she was dressing appropriately. And that's why I had to ask you, because I'm like, would you feel like she was cool? Because to me it's like no distressed jeans, like the birthday girl.

SPEAKER_08 45:29

She, you know, I thought they were speaking about her, honestly.

SPEAKER_06 45:32

She looked beautiful, but I guess she was like her legs and like it was what she was showing. Legs, the cleavage, you know. But it's like, so what the fuck should she should have had on? Right. Like she had to go home and put a hoodie on?

SPEAKER_05 45:42

Yeah, that would that was nutty because it was her birthday, but like they probably gonna hate me, but like I'm cool with like special treatment, bro. Like, because my whole thing is is like if I like I frequent a lot of restaurants, you feel me? And when you spend money at restaurants, when you build a relationship with the hostess or the host or the managers, whatever the case may be, you do get grace in certain areas. So it's like if I go, so like if anybody knows about Philly, like if you live at the Atlantic building, it's attached to State 48. So you can get steak 48 straight to your house. So let's just say you somebody that eat there on the regular, and I'm like, hey, Elizabeth, I want to come down real quick, but you know I'm not really dressed properly. I just want to come to the bar, get a quick bite to eat, whatever the case may be. And she's like, Oh, yeah, come on, dude. Because it's me. You feel me? I live upstairs, whatever the case may be. And I just so happen to be that guy walking in the background of that video. Yes, I do justify your point. That wouldn't be the case all the time. And no, it's not the case a lot of the time, but I'm big on that. It's like, bro, if if you time and you become who you say you want to be, and you say, I don't feel like getting dressed, but I want to go get a five-star steak dinner, and you call ahead and say, Hey, it's time, I got a hoodie and shirts on, like most NBA players do on their nights off. They don't get all dressed up to go to the restaurants, they go get a nice little back room or whatever the case may be, and they eat and then they leave. And you might see them, and you might be the person getting stopped for what you got on, and you see them and you like, look, they ain't even, but you don't know, they they some players, like, but at that point I don't give a fuck because no, I've stopped that.

SPEAKER_06 47:18

I'm pulling like that's you freaking my ass. I I I do agree because in some instances I've had that same experience. Like, I've been places where certain shit didn't apply to me, you know what I'm saying? But we can't still though. It's in the middle of some study when you're on the receiver end of it. Yeah, but in the middle of some shit like so. My thing is then stand on it. Tell me I got some bullshit on there. Like, so I'd rather you say that than you would.

SPEAKER_08 47:41

Did Elizabeth know about bullshit on it?

SPEAKER_05 47:43

She had these nut ass loafers on. So what do you think more of a factor was the the body shaming or the racial? I think I want to speak to it more.

SPEAKER_06 47:53

I like she said, the body, because it was like, what she's supposed to wear. Like, I've literally, bro, I've been in State 48 tens of thousands of times. And I've could point out, I'm pretty sure if you'd have walked in here that day, you could have been like, look, she got on, she got on some bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

Yeah, women, but women come in here with dresses that that stop at the chess, satin dresses, silk dresses.

SPEAKER_08 48:13

No, I had on some bullshit. Literally, it was a piece of cloth, two pieces of cloth, literally. And then uh something to rent.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

How big was your party that you was going with?

SPEAKER_08 48:23

It wasn't a party, it was me and who did I go out with? Like two people. Oh shit. Maybe I thought they were gonna stop me because of how revealing.

SPEAKER_06 48:32

I think my first time when I was like, I got some fucking jeans. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, they probably won't be on some drawing. They be like, Oh, you good, bro. Where have you seen?

SPEAKER_05 48:37

I'm also the type of person too, like, that's why I said they're gonna hate me. It's like I really like I'm not like you already know, us as black people, we not get no grace. So like I'm seeing, I'm doing my thing. But I I get I get you. I get you. I would love for the world to fuck that. Bro, it's like even I I use myself as an example. I got a tattoo in the middle of my face. People don't know they don't know that I got sense until they talk to me. So once people talk to me, you could take that as an insult. People talk to me and they be like, damn, you're really, you're really intelligent or you're very articulate. And it's like, why did you think I wasn't? Because I got a tattoo. What same person will put a tattoo in the middle of their face? So I gotta know that people gonna judge me when I show up just off of how I look, how I dress, how I smell, how what about her? She ain't had nothing doing, it was crazy.

SPEAKER_06 49:23

That's my whole thing. I get what you're saying, yeah. But at the same time, it's like it had we it gotta be consistent. Like it really has to balance out. Like, you can't today don't feel like this, and then tomorrow I'll feel like this. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's going to them people establishment. Because we already, first of all, we already let y'all now. I will say I was on the side of them with the whole step shit. Like, all right, the steps ain't for y'all to be taking on photo shoots. So cool. And for some policies where though it's too much. Me though, if it's any smart marketer or brander, I would have just felt like, you know what? People love coming to these steps to take photos after their meal or when they get here to kind of uh uh capture the moment of them coming here. You could have made that head into the service. I would have made it for sure exactly. Instead of telling niggas, listen, y'all niggas, y'all can't come here. Or charge or something. I don't know. Market on it.

SPEAKER_05 50:08

It's just good publicity. So it's like, hey, are you gonna be able to do that? When did you tell you guys like a photo before actually?

SPEAKER_06 50:13

When did Miss Tootsie's ever tell niggas they couldn't take pictures in France and Jackson?

SPEAKER_05 50:17

I mean, but that's like you gotta think cultural restaurants and then corporate restaurants are two different things. You got cultural spots where they understand the importance of where people want to take photos, they understand the importance of people feeling like they want to celebrate there because they understand the importance of who they are as a as a restaurant. But when you're talking about stake 48, that's a corporation. So it's like So we just gotta stop giving them our money.

SPEAKER_06 50:42

We just gonna do that for like two weeks. Yeah, the niggas gonna niggas going.

SPEAKER_08 50:46

We don't really boycott nothing for long.

SPEAKER_06 50:47

Yeah, we know we terrible boycotts. I can speak to that. We're terrible.

SPEAKER_08 50:49

Literally, I was at never mind, I ain't gonna say it.

SPEAKER_06 50:51

You don't say it, don't give them no shine. It's cool. Do it, do it in do it in private like I do. Because niggas is like, you still go to Target?

SPEAKER_05 50:56

Right.

SPEAKER_06 50:57

I didn't know I was supposed to do that.

SPEAKER_08 50:58

I went by accident the whole time, literally.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

But see, that's that's what I'm saying. I get mad because it's like it's deeper, it's deeper boycotts tended than just not going to Target because people don't really, they just go with the flow. Are you really like I'm a nerd for real? So, like, are you really do you really know who make your products? Do you really know who make your toilet paper? Do you really know who make your your your flow? We would have to cut off so many but a lot of people are ignorant to that because they don't want to know. So they take the easy fight, like let's not go to target. Let's not go to Target when it's so many different companies. I'm not knocking you, but that's just like the whack. Don't because then those be the same people that try to come to you with that pro black shit. It's like, oh, you I seen the target bag in your back seat. It's like, bro, all right, like, bro, we're like, you just got your eggs from shot right, bro. Stop talking to me.

SPEAKER_06 51:48

So I I agree on that sentiment, but I just I wouldn't stay with just the state, with just the state 48 shit. I agree with you, and we can agree to disagree because I do get what you're saying. Again, I'm not mad at trying to enforce your policies, have a policy, whatever it's gonna be. But my like I said, it just has to be consistent with I don't so now don't let the nigga from upstairs come down here and get his shit in his fucking towel. Like, fuck no, bro. Like, no.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

So how was your experience when you went there?

SPEAKER_06 52:12

My shit was cool.

SPEAKER_05 52:13

So, all right, so so I'm also not there. I'm not so I'm glad you said that. So, how do you feel about people when they not and not kind of like uh di uh downgrade or like try to put somebody else's experience down, but how do you feel when people be like, well, my experience is cool, so like I'm going back.

SPEAKER_06 52:33

Because you saying it's I was supposed to I was supposed to go there on Saturday, which is the crazy part. Okay, so you had a cool. No, last Saturday I was supposed to go. Okay, okay. I ain't gonna lie, if I'd have walked in though, if I'd have walked in and kind of seen that, like if I was like walking in and I seen that was being the back and forth, and they would have told me, like, no, you good to go in. I ain't gonna lie, because the type of nigga I am, I probably definitely wouldn't have wind there. I probably definitely would have been like, cause it's in a moment, and I'm like, and if I'm overhearing what's going on and back and forth, especially from my perspective, like I said, I could, we all could, if we're being real, if the if we'd have seen her and she had them shit, we like, uh I ain't gonna lie, like, alright, like you probably shouldn't be in there with that shit on.

SPEAKER_08 53:07

Like, well, I ain't gonna lie, I would have walked in still.

SPEAKER_06 53:10

She said, I would have walked in.

SPEAKER_08 53:11

Like, I would have been like, damn, that's crazy, and I would have walked in. But like the outside looking in the city.

SPEAKER_05 53:17

So, all right, let me ask you this. At the time where you said that you went there and you had like your outfit on that was provocative, were you like to like was you like preparing yourself? Like, all right, I'm gonna go in here and try my hair. Yeah, but I'm cool. Like, if they try to like fake embarrassment, yeah, like you wasn't gonna like flip out.

SPEAKER_08 53:33

I wasn't gonna flip out because I know I knew it was the dress call. I knew I was dressed in.

SPEAKER_06 53:38

So you wouldn't have done all that. You wouldn't have did all that.

SPEAKER_08 53:39

I wouldn't have did all that, they wouldn't have got recorded. I know Elizabeth wouldn't have got sued, you know. Yeah, you just take it on.

SPEAKER_06 53:45

I would have been like, I also don't like when he lied too. Like, how she yeah, how many other managers in here? There's a couple managers in here. Can you give me another one? I'm the highest one. Bitch, I don't give a fuck. Bring the other ones out here. I'm on all y'all out here.

SPEAKER_08 53:55

They somebody in there. Somebody in there.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

You feel like you know how to properly complain in those types of situations? Me? Yeah. How about your would you what was your question? Like when you like when you're dealing with like restaurants or like bad service, do you feel like you properly know how to complain properly? Uh uh.

SPEAKER_08 54:11

I didn't know it was the way you were supposed to complain.

SPEAKER_05 54:14

Yeah, because I like honestly, I always tell people, like, yo, I've I've seen it and I've done it. We will take a situation where we're dead ass in the right and put the other person in the right by how we react to it, but by not knowing how to complain properly. And I feel like that's one thing that we should work on. Cause like you guys just straight go to like ah like violence and just rowiness.

SPEAKER_08 54:37

It's like, yo, we it'd be hard in the heat of the moment when you really feel disrespected.

SPEAKER_06 54:41

In the moment, I think you kind of just because easy to a lawsuit, any of that's gonna take time. So now you gotta put this shit today, right now. But like right now, how you learn how to complain.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

When you learn how to complain, like when you deal with like little petty people at the hotel and you learn how to complain, you get your nights for free. When you deal with those little petty people at the airport, you start getting gift cards and perks and all that perks and shit. It's just like when you kind of learn how to complain, you kind of just like beat people at their own game, like, okay, what's your name? Oh, what's what's this whatever site hotel? What's the case? I think they handled it well though. No, she did. I definitely think she handled it well. She handled it big time, and it was corny because she was like, It's my birthday.

SPEAKER_08 55:20

Yeah, like I would have started crying, like rocking out tears, like yo, like you really.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

I just like on a scale to one and ten, how how effective is the tears?

SPEAKER_08 55:31

In that situation, I would have forced it all.

SPEAKER_06 55:34

Elizabeth would have given you some napkins and be like, you can cue crowd the curb.

SPEAKER_05 55:37

No, but I respect how she handled it too, though. Because even though she I mean, she didn't give a fuck, like extra, she didn't care. She still was like, yo, if y'all change, I'll hold your reservation for a later time.

SPEAKER_06 55:48

But now, but then I feel like because now I feel like you're playing with me, though. Cause like now I'm not changing shit. Like, so I do get that. Like, I'm not going home to change. But she covered her ass.

SPEAKER_05 55:55

That's why I'm saying I respect it because she didn't. Even though she being a dick about it, but she covered her ass by the way. I told y'all, I'll hold your research.

SPEAKER_08 56:03

I'll hold your reservation. Why would you want to even still go? You know, fuck all that. You call it coming back. You just gotta say a bit. I'm bringing it out with a tab. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_06 56:13

I ain't paying for shit. Dining dash. All this shit free. Yep. I don't like none of the food y'all brought out. You feel like that's just like that's justified? For sure.

SPEAKER_08 56:21

Look, take a piece of hair, it's here in my food. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 56:25

Yep. I'll put some food. I watch too much TV. I think I watch too much TV because I always watch like them little dumb ass shows where like motherfuckers be getting court trying to do that. And that be all played in the back of my head.

SPEAKER_06 56:38

Like, I would have had to be the motherfucker to run them over. I do shit for the plot, so I would have just did it. Oh, you ever you ever dine dash before though?

SPEAKER_05 56:46

I mean, yeah, of course. No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_06 56:48

When I was younger, crazy. All right, we talk, I'm talking about like that's what I never did a dining dash. It's like that's like dine and dash shit. Like, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_08 56:55

Y'all be stealing from Wawa?

SPEAKER_06 56:56

All the time. I'm never paying for shit in Waba.

SPEAKER_08 56:58

Never did that. I'm scared.

SPEAKER_06 57:00

What? It's self-checkout.

SPEAKER_05 57:02

I don't still from I'm so self-check this shit out. Like, bro, I just went to cop, bro. No bullshit. I went to Costco the other day, and they chased me out to the parking lot. Yeah. And bro, she was like, she was like, Yeah, can I see your receipt? Can I see your because you know you gotta show your receipt. Yeah, yeah. But the bull was like, I did do some bullshit though. The bull was kind of like taking Kyle long, so I just kind of passing. But I didn't pay no money. I'm talking about I'm literally at my trunk, and she was like, Yeah, can I see your receipt? And I was like, Oh shit, that is not playing. I pulled my camera out like discrimination.

SPEAKER_06 57:33

That happened to me. I was in Miami, I was at a Walmart in Miami, and it was like, um, the up there, you know, all of them speak fucking Spanish. So no disrespect. But I didn't understand what she was saying. So I'm like, because she's she just talking. I'm just like, I don't, so I'm like, I just try to go out. So she sent like three security guards, and I'm like, bro, I had this long ass receipt. Like, first of all, y'all just look at it and don't even give a fuck what you're doing. They don't, like, yeah, they don't never look at it. I could have printed this y'all at home. Like, that's why I'm gonna do all my readers, because they never look at it. Oh, my fault. That's how you know we really in words.

SPEAKER_08 58:03

No, I was saying that's a good idea to do. I ain't do it, but oh oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

I be I'm real crafty. Real real crafty. Um, but yeah, so it's just like I don't know, certain shit. I I ain't gonna.

SPEAKER_05 58:14

See, I do little like old white lady shit like switch tags and raws and shit like that.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

Yeah, I'm I'm about to scare this fucking beanbag that's two dollars in the fucking section. I do some. I'm about to scare my fucking ear pods. I'm about to get this shit for two dollars.

SPEAKER_05 58:27

But like putting some shit in my pot, I'm scared to death. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_06 58:31

Yeah, no, I mean I definitely like, I don't know. I just you can't you can't really have that.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

Because I don't get no breaks in life. So I feel like like I wouldn't be the one that makes an example about the have a pocket full of money and be like, ah, I'll pay. And they'd be like, nah, you stole it. You going to jail.

SPEAKER_06 58:44

So it's just like I just be like, nah. Yeah, you can't be the one, especially no, you can't do that shit in the food markets though. Because they self-check, I'll just tell you any anything you got going, they know you're gonna check it out. See the market.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

I eat I'll eat stuff while I'm shopping though.

SPEAKER_06 58:56

Oh yeah, yeah, you can't do that. That don't you get to self-check out, them niggas like, yo, put that in your pocket. The fucking machine on there, put that back.

SPEAKER_08 59:03

When it comes to big corporations, I don't be caring. Like, I will really steal a steak right now.

SPEAKER_06 59:08

Like, as you should, bro. It's Juneteenth next month.

SPEAKER_08 59:11

Like, what is is it are y'all getting paid more to catch me? Like, niggas be tackling people and all that.

SPEAKER_06 59:16

What's like see, I was a see, I used to work when I worked for TSA. Yo, when I worked for TSA, I literally I couldn't do that job because they they really they really enforce you to be like a asshole to people. Like, they really be like, yo, you're not gonna be like, You gotta be. What is me yelling at gonna do any different? You know what I'm saying? Like, literally, like they said, like, yo, you gotta get more aggressive. I'm like, bro, it's like you a CO officer or something. Yeah, it's like nigga, we are not in that, bro. Like, I'm not about to yell at this motherfucker about their laptop, taking their shoes off.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

So, what do you think? So if you work that steak 48 right now, how would you try to write that wrong? Like, how would you go about assessing the situation?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:00

Um I don't if I work, like what's my let like work like what? Like am I just like a service?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:07

No, like you see this video online, you over Elizabeth, you see the video online, you see the interaction, now you have your opinion that you have now, so like how would you go about like dealing with Elizabeth and how would you go about I might go hug a black person do some shit like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:23

Outside of that though, like um, I feel like it's no right, I mean they gonna feel how they feel, but I feel like if you want to appease to our because you never know, like we all might like how we feel, now we all might be like, oh fuck, Snake State 48, we ain't going back. So if you want to make it right, I guess you kind of gotta be like, yo, I don't agree with, you know what I'm saying, like what happened in there or whatever she said or her stance on it. I don't I don't feel like they'll not fire her, but I just feel like you gotta take kind of like show that you kind of align with how she felt because she didn't really get a explan a thorough explanation on what was wrong with the house. Yeah, she did. So it's like I could see if you said, listen, you got your shoulders out and you got a fucking mole on your shoulders that we can see that nigga's gonna be. It doesn't align with the Yeah, you didn't like it's nothing thoroughly explained towards the what's wrong with it. So because I didn't really get a thorough explanation, that's not enough of me.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:10

So how would you rate the way she shut him down? Like, as far as like if you was her boss, how would you feel like she handled the situation? Even if you didn't like like what she was saying, what she was saying, how do you feel like she handled the overall situation? Like, do you feel like she was professional?

SPEAKER_08 1:01:25

She was professional, she was. I mean, she didn't say anything rude. Yeah, Lizzie. She was professional, but it's like she had no choice but to be professional. She was she getting rowdy for. She's telling them get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:38

Basically. I even read judged that tone of I hold your reservation. Cause it's like, bitch, if you don't get the fuck out of here, like I've been there like all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:47

It's like she was being smart. Like, you know, you're not coming back. So everything, I feel like once she's telling you that you not coming in, I feel like everything she says from that moment is gonna be taken as sarcastic or or like with a grain of salt. Because it's like, I really didn't see it like that. I seen that it wasn't really a problem what they was wearing. But it's discretionary as far as those restaurants go. So it's all about like who they feel like, like I said, who they feel like is gonna stand out and be like that distraction as far as like what they wearing. Let me let me ask y'all this.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:26

Anybody in here ever had like a bad experience like that though to that extent?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

No, who I had I had them make me take my hat off before I had them um tell me since I had a t-shirt on, like it would be I at least I had a black t-shirt on, so I had to tuck it. And it's all about like how bad do you want the experience? It's like now as you get older, you you realize that like certain establishments and certain establishments, so you go to your comfortability. Like what if I if you don't feel like going to all of that, but you want to stake, you might go to Texas Row House.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:59

Maybe she genuinely thought gotta dress up. She was, you know, she looked presentable. Cause I really feel like nothing was wrong with what she had on.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:06

Yeah, I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:09

Like me on the other hand, I had on what I had on and I knew, like, alright, I might not be able to eat in here, but I think she genuinely felt like she had on the right stuff. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:20

Yeah, you know how many motherfuckers probably in the comments, like, you know how many times I fucking had eat my lobster mac with fucking vagina in my shit?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:25

Like with what?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:27

So alright, so that's funny. So as a as a girl, like when you when y'all planing like y'all nights out with y'all friends, y'all ladies, vacation trips, whatever the case may be, like how much thought goes into like the rules and regulations of outfits? Because we all know when girls got their minds set on getting the outfit off, yeah, like I'm getting this shit off. Right. But are do y'all look into like are the places that we going tonight, like, is this outfit cool for that?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:54

Like, I do. Me and my homegirls, we do. We do our research on, you know, because they we want to enjoy the experience, so we we want to make sure we, you know, everything's set in stone. Um so yeah, we we do our research on where we're going beforehand to make sure, and then we pick out our outfits. That's how we do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:16

Shout out to shout out to our our black queens. Shout out to Pander. But no, that's seriously though, shout out to, I mean, I don't my stands ain't like I do feel like I I just feel like I I needed to be thoroughly informed on what was the cause of not being able to come, like what's the dress cool. I think they need it needs to be maybe maybe it is, maybe I I've never paid it no mind because I know it never really applied to like more us more so than it does to the women.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:41

I mean it do though, but I feel like how is guys shorts on, they they them niggas have shorts. I feel like guys are more so like on his whole mill. Like rips in our jeans probably is like the most thing for guys. Yeah, but I know that going there. It's like it's like yeah, it's like long as you don't really got no rips in your jeans. Or no tank tops. Yeah, because men's style can go like it's different. Like you can have like a like that t-shirt you got on is a white tee, but it's not, it's a quality type of white tee to where as though, yeah. It does matter because the style of it matters. It's like if if you have a polo white t-shirt on, you have like a Zara white t-shirt on. It's still kind of affordable, but the style of it is different to where as though you can wear it on in a formal set and blend. To where as though a regular white tee look like an undershirt. So it's like, yeah. You look like you just came off whatever block you from. It's like even with sweatpants, it's like you got joggers, then you got sweatpants that kind of like you can wear in like maybe not like a formal, formal situation, but if you use like a wedding reception, it's certain sweatpants or sweatshirts sets that you can get off and people are respected.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:49

Yeah. I mean, I listen, I I agree. Um definitely, but again, like I said, I just want to hopefully they do get um a thorough explanation and whatever happens with that. I mean. Whether you decide to go go back or you don't. We stand with you up here at the uh tag number time flies community.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:08

You ain't giving stake 48 none of your funds.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:10

I ain't say all that. But we we definitely stand with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:17

So maybe that was the sign that I so if they apologize or offer her a free birthday dinner, you think she should accept it?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:24

Um yeah, I would. I mean, I mean it all depends on your level if you're ever able to forgive. Like, if you if you're ready to forgive and Elizabeth, hang on. Um, she bring the cake out to you, birthday dinner, however, the case maybe. I mean, yeah, it depends.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:37

Because like, when did we stop like losing like teachable moments? It's like, yeah, they could have messed up. And like you said, maybe Elizabeth just was like, whatever, looking at it wrong, looking at the outfit wrong, looking at how people would read the situation wrong. But I feel like, like, if she come and be like, I want to write this wrong, let me come back, understand whatever the case may be. I feel like they should give her the time.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:01

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely not mad at it. But is it because she's getting backlash? Or is Jenny?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:06

It is always no. If that was the case in the moment, she would be like, you know what? You go, y'all good. If it wasn't the if it wasn't the the post of what had.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:16

But I wonder if it was a decision based off her, like her, or amongst the the if she's saying it, I'm pretty sure she ain't gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

If she the top dog, then it was her. Because we got some eggs. Yeah, because usually nine times out of ten, the restaurant manager is at the front with the greeters for the most part. Especially if you come in, like, I don't know what time it was of the day during the day, but usually like around the after work, going into the evening crowd. Yeah, usually everybody That's what it looked like so daytime. Usually everybody front and center, so that's probably around the time it was. And they'll definitely be like, nah, yeah or nay. Because you gotta understand too, like, as much as like all the race shit coming to it, like restaurants and and like clubs, it's a slippery slope. Cause they also gotta like use like they better judgment of like, yeah, is this gonna help the overall crowd and vibe of the place? And like, yeah, you might be dressed apart, but something about your energy tell me like I should turn them away. What she do though? I mean, we never know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:19

I wanna address it.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:21

I just wish that we could have had like a field trip up there and let's all wear all wear our worst bullshit and see what the fuck we can get in on.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:28

Yeah, I mean, that'll be uh yeah. I feel like a lot of people do. Social experiment? Yeah, I go in there with some. We gotta send somebody from every race, every age bracket.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:36

Oh, for sure. Everybody wear their shoulders out, all wear the same shirt and see the see the reaction they get. Um, but again, shout out to them. Hopefully, uh it's resolved. And um, I just don't like to see, like, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, if it wasn't thoroughly explained enough to me, so I know I can only imagine how they probably felt in the moment. So, and it was her birthday before.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:55

Yes. Like, so what how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:59

Uh I'm gonna be real with you, bro. I don't be giving a fuck that much. Like, I really don't like when it comes to like enforcing certain policies or just I didn't say stereotyping, but just with what they're looking for and they uh an employee with certain things, I just don't I don't allow it on allowing me. Like I don't give a fuck. I remember one time I used to work, I used to work at a store and we had to wear name tags and my I remember the white person coming up to me at a register and was like, your name isn't Thomas, your name's like fucking Rashid or something. Oh no, I'm like that was rude. Like, yeah, that's different.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:29

But like, so I think because y'all men, like, we more emotional.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:32

I would've given my service out. How you how was your experience?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:38

Nobody ever tried me as far as racially.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:41

So see, it's like it's more so like I I you see the stereotypes in real time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So it's like I feel like that'd be the part that people miss. It's like when you work in certain fields, or if you ever worked in certain fields, you see the stereotypes play out in real time, so you kind of don't be mad. It's just when you kind of like when you're on the receiving end of it, you never gonna like it. But if you honest with yourself and you like play certain situations back, you be like, you kind of be giving the person or sometimes the people like the benefit of doubt. Like, yeah, you was definitely on some racist shit, but I played into this stereotype by how I might have reacted or how I might have pulled up to certain situations.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:27

I was I was chilling. I just like, but this was like my early 20s, but I'm like, I know for a fact if this was me like a prior year prior, I'd have called my sister up there. Yeah, I'd have showed you who the fuck is it? So you handed it. That's what I'm saying. And it would have it would have definitely went a different way. But I just was like, see the pe white people intoxicated, you know what I'm saying? They're gonna say certain things.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:45

Yeah, I see I think I feel like being a criminal my li all my life kind of make me look at like shit different as like, yo, this shit is not gonna go the way you think. Yeah, it's like playing playing the game that them people play, like it's like you you kind of gotta have all your ducks in a row. So it's like I try not to play into them people.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:03

You know, we can't because we can't be the right thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:04

I want you to be wrong. So like if a person of a a different culture hit my car, like instead of me, I want I'm making sure I got insurance so you could be wrong. I want to see you be wrong. Yeah, I don't wanna be right, but I did some bullshit and it's more mature when you look at it. Yeah, bro. I ain't looking at that back in the back. No, no, I used to go upside niggas' heads.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:24

I used to go upside niggas' heads, but I don't care six months from there. I want to know, yeah, today. You want we're gonna make sure you five.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:32

No, for sure. I used to I used to love going upside people here when they be dumb, but after a while, you just be like, I'm gonna just let you be dumb.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:41

I want to switch gears a little bit though. I want to ask y'all some uh more personal shit. I want to know uh something more so relationship-based. I want to know, I want to ask the room. And when I say the room, I mean everybody. Um in terms of breakups. What's the worst thing you've done following a breakup with a uh significant other?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:02

Damn, man, you starting to get it. I wanna know. I don't know, this is crazy. You go first.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:07

Damn. Um, so when you say because of the breakup, like was it like this something I did, like we broke up, and then this was my reaction to the breakup?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

Oh, nothing, nothing, nothing crazy for real for a moment. It's like all right, let me explain. So we broke up, boom. Then after we broke up, we kind of kicked it a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:31

And then, like, my the way my mind works is like once we break up, don't come back in my life because I'm a my mind, the way my mind worked, I'm gonna revert back to I'm your boyfriend again.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:42

So it's like if if we don't talk for a little while and then we kick it for two days, and then on the third day, I come with like energy, like the first two days, and you like make me feel like you playing me out or like brushing me off at any given moment, I'll turn to a madman. So like we we broke up and then we kicked it for like two days, and then on the third day, she kind of was trying to act like she wasn't answering. I kicked it during and shit. Dorin is crazy. Yeah, I kicked the door in, and then I had to sit up all night because it was a it was a Saturday night. So I had to sit at her crib and play guard guard dog all night because nobody couldn't fix the door until the next morning. We've all been there, man. Yeah, for sure. That's probably the nuttiest shit I ever did.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:22

You see, I feel like yours is worse. I'm gonna go with mine before I go get you.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:26

Incriminating myself?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:27

It wasn't like a breakup of me. I um I threw the Christmas tree like out the window. The Christmas tree? What the what the tree do? You just gotta to to save face, you know what I'm saying? I'm not putting my hands on you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, somebody in here. Somebody gotta get it. Somebody gonna get tossed. For sure. I would just be happy to be the Christmas tree. You know what I'm saying? Like, but it it wasn't like that that might have been like as terms of like just feeling like I gotta do something in this moment. It was like I tossed a Christmas tree.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:58

And was it while she was there, or you just was by yourself and how many days before Christmas?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

It was like five days. I had to get it on Christmas Eve, put it back together.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:11

Like all the decorations and all it. Damn. Damn, what I do.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:18

Ain't no Christmas in this bitch. Ain't no Christmas day. No.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:23

Surprisingly, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:25

I really I wanna everybody heard that, boys.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:30

No, listen.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:31

I wanna believe you.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:33

But I know you a little bit. You could give us one of your crash out stories.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:37

Because it don't, it don't really be a breakup to like, no, we not like what the fuck is you talking about? Like mad all over again.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:44

We not like you start getting flesh, like, what you mean we broke up? We ain't breaking up.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:49

So I would I got an issue with putting my hands on people. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:54

We up here at technical time flies, do not uh promote domestic.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:58

We don't, we don't condone it. I've stopped. No, you did it. But that's about it. I'm pretty like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:06

Just for no reason? Just because like like he tried to break it off, you just like No, nobody ever tried to break it off for me. Okay, my fault.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:13

No, I'm just saying, but like, you know, things don't work out, but it's like I don't believe that, but I'm not gonna make sense. Like, I could do what I want, but you don't go do what you want.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:24

That's deep. That's Facebook deep.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:28

No, for real. Don't don't go don't do that. Like, but I don't do nothing crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:32

I give people like I have a lot of patience with people like are crazy and like women's crazy are like two different crazies.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:39

They are, but I feel like if you really love somebody as far as a woman, like never pull up, like slash no tigers. No, no, no, no. I don't get into it. I feel like silence really be what kill a nigga. Like, I'm not I don't give you no reaction. You wanna be like, what the fuck? This bitch never loved me for. Oh, you going MIA. MIA, you're not gonna you won't be stalking me, all that.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:01

Like that's regular.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:02

So that's what I'm saying. I never did nothing super crazy. I do more crazier shit in a relationship.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:08

Put my hand like stuff like that, or argument, but period attachment when time flies, you're not promote domestic violence.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:14

But a breakup, like, no, I take breakups, it it didn't work out. It's over. It's over. It's over. They they come back to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:22

So I don't know. So hold up. Let me ask you a question. Do you talk about your your personal life on the pot? Not like your not your personal life, but like, do the do the pot people know like you're that you married and shit? Yeah, for the most part, yeah. Alright. So like obviously you don't think about your ex people, but how like just overall like no exes, bro, for real. Yeah, alright, cool. Yeah, because they don't matter. But like, I wonder how people feel, like, because I know how I feel when I see people that I used to date, like, go off, like, but me, see me, I'm kind of sick too in the head, because it's like, I knew you deserved to be married. I just wasn't gonna marry you. So like when I see people go off and get married and shit, I'm not surprised. I'm kind of like rooting you on, like, yes, I'm glad I didn't ruin you. But I wonder how people be feeling like when they see people that they used to date like get married. Because it's for me, I'm like, I knew I wasn't gonna do it, so I'm happy. But for you, you like a good guy. So like I'm wondering like how like your ex-people probably feel like you you took that trip without them. Like, probably sick. Uh yeah, like how would you feel? Like, like your best, like a nigga that you probably feel like, like you might you had a future with.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:37

I probably feel some type of way momentarily, but I'm not the type to really dwell on something. Like, I like to move on.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:44

Like, I'm obsessive. Like, so you don't reply to a nigga's story and be like, that's supposed to be me and you at the altar?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:49

No, that's crazy. Don't don't don't niggas do shit like that. I don't I don't really, I'm not one to really feed a nigga ego all crazy. Like that right, that's supposed to be my baby. Yeah, that's supposed to be my baby, all that. I just I don't date. Like, I'm scared. Like, I'm scared. Stay away from me if I do something.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:07

Why? What's what's the what's the big why you why you scared to date?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:11

Nobody be genuine. Everybody got a motive, uh, you know, interior motives.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:17

What does what does that look like in today's time though? Like when you say like nobody's gene. Like, if if you met a man to today, like, how would he like with some things that he could do to make you genuinely feel like he's interested in you?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:30

Nothing. I'm traumatized. Come on, we I so I probably self-sabotaged a lot of shit, honestly.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:36

Oh, that's accountability, is big.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:37

Yeah, I take accountability. I know I do. That's why I just step back, you know. Because I'm I'm cool with being a myself. I'm a good person, I'm just not nice all the time. Like to men. Okay. I'm not nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:48

They deserve it, you feel like every man, like so you're not, you're not holding Joe to what Steve did. Or arguing.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:55

I mean, I'll be lying if I say if I I'm not trying to be thorough. Yeah, I'll be doing this shit. No. You did this to me, and you trying to get me next, nigga. No. Fuck no. You he conspiring against me. Like, I think the whole world against me sometimes. I don't know. I just don't be trusting people.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:15

How do y'all maneuver like that? Like, how is like I don't deal with people?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:18

I don't think I feel like safe, like comfortable, like um, by myself.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:23

Damn. I might light a candle in here.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:27

No, I'm serious. A lot of people don't know how to be by themselves. That's the issue. I love myself more than anybody, so it's just like, you know, besides my child, but it's just like I like my peace too.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:40

Like, I'm not mad at that.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:41

I start texting my ex or something like that. We beef and we argue. And I wasn't just arguing yesterday with nobody. I like my peace more than anything. And and like my nervous system be nice and calm.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:53

Do you do shit like when you're bored though? Like you just for bored, like let me go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:56

I used to. I used to do a lot of shit for the plot. Just dumb. I'm I'm cool. I'm at a stage in my life where it's like, no, I'm cool. If I'm bored, I need to find a hobby.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:06

It's gonna be nigga that watch this next week and be like, watch this.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:10

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. People gonna probably see this and be like, all right, I think it's all it be a game with men. Like, this shit really be a game. Why it gotta be like that?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:23

It is because we all do it. We don't know. We all uh uh leave a situation, be living our life, doing something else somewhere else, and it don't even gotta be about them. But every so often you think like, I wonder if I can still get connected to this person or get a reaction out of this person or get time out of this person. It's all your level of pettiness, is everybody different. But you always want to test that theory. Like, if I contact this person, am I gonna get the reaction that I think I'm gonna get?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:56

It probably can be women though sometimes, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:58

No, it's not. You think it even out of it? It is when it's two things I've realized. I've done that before. It's two things I've realized that's a real thing, bro. It's really a real thing. When you got the ick on you, and every man know what I'm talking about. When you just down bad on yourself, you you not really your best self. Nobody might not even know what's going on. But when you got the ick, you realize when you go out into the world, it could be a random chick at the gas station, she telling you no. It's a chick that you used to mess around with, she ain't really got no vibe for you. The ick is a real thing, and it's the same when you in your glow. When you in your glow and you got a nice chick, you go outside, women just attract to you. It's not nothing that you do, it's just really a real thing with the energy, bro. Like, I really believe in that. So it's like when you got the ick, you don't get no emotion until you focus on yourself, you get back in the swing of things.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:49

Niggas don't be focusing on themselves, they start getting them again. The next woman, and she gotta deal with you know, the unhealed Jew. Y'all don't work on yourself, y'all don't know how to be alone.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:01

You know, most niggas ain't self-aware.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:03

Yeah, but I don't think most a lot of men don't know how to be alone. Y'all are very codependent. I feel like like not that y'all need women, but y'all kind of do. Like, yeah, we need women. I need something soft on the side of it. No, but why y'all can never work on y'all self? Now the next now she gotta suffer because you can't work on myself while I'm also no. I wanna, I can't, me personally, I can't work on myself with somebody that keeps triggering me or whatever, like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:31

And that's where we differ. Like, I I gotta disagree. Cause like, as a man, if I'm just dating, I'm just dating. And when you dick run into women that say they're just dating, they say they just dated, but then after three or four link ups, y'all saying we go together. Like, that's not dating. Three or four link ups.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:50

You watch fucking one season of one holder. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:52

It's like you watch that show without me. It's like, no. It's like we hate when people say like it's just a one gender thing. Like, no, but no, we all gotta have it after three days saying what we eat in a night, what time I'm coming in.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:05

So when at what point do y'all be like, y'all never, y'all are never direct, like y'all don't sit and sit somebody down and tell them that. Y'all just go with the flow. That's weird. It's not, no, it's not. You tell me, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:19

Damn. Y'all, you have y'all have never thought, all right, sit me down and have this conversation. Yo, you we not supposed to go with the flow?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:29

No. So now you can't. Do that with we're emotional beings. You can't do that with us.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:35

You can't. You have to keep it real with us. So why not? So, so why not why not be the one to kind of be like, I'm not doing it because I'm in love with you.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:42

We go together. Nigga, you if you don't feel that way, you need to tell me.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:46

Like what'd you say you wanted to say on the pod? Because we we didn't just take a break, um, y'all. If it looked like we did, we didn't. What was the um you were speaking to uh you just said something that was kind of what I like playing with niggas. Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:02

Yeah, that's that's new, because y'all be like playing with us. So why I can't get my have my fun too.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:07

So walk us, walk us through the process.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:09

No, I'm that's giving up. That's federal. That's federal. No, just a little. Like, are you mean a nigga? Like, are you? I do what y'all do. I'm just a woman. You just gonna do everything you want to hear. I'm gonna put on that sexy voice, you know, all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:27

That's crazy. That's crazy. And then next thing you know, you got 25 missed calls. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:37

That's crazy, but no, um, I just feel like it's it's like I gotta get you before you get me.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:45

Type shit. Damn. But why do we that's where we at right now?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:48

It's trauma. It's trauma.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:51

Why you why why do y'all feel like that though?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:53

It's trauma.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:55

But not everybody, not everybody is.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:57

No, I don't believe that, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:59

Like you need to believe. I'm telling you though. I listen, I understand it, you may feel how you, but I promise you, you ain't you ain't you ain't gonna tell me your experience with every man you have ever done.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:11

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:12

So we can't be holding you like again, it's a nigga out there probably waiting, whoever who somebody you ain't meet yet. Right. He probably like, damn, you know what I'm saying? I fuck with her. She, you like this nigga gonna fuck it, try to fuck it. I'll be feeling there. I'll be like, oh I'm gonna leave it.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:24

Staring at the wall, like it's like I heard it all. Like, I heard it all literally, and the nigga just like it just wasn't the actions, like how you say that to me and then do this, like, so it I done heard it all. We done all heard it all.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:38

So it's no hope for niggas, basically what you're saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:40

It's it's probably not. Like, this shit is gonna be a miracle.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:44

It's probably not. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So so where do you where do you go from in terms of like in terms of dating going forward? Like, how how are you going to maneuver in that space? Like, is it is it are you dating to like be serious, or are you just I'm not dating at all right now. I feel like women say that I don't believe that, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:02

No, for real. I I'm I'm not dating nobody. I feel like niggas don't make it past day three with me. Because they say the wrong thing, or I'm just be turned it's strict.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:13

I'm fun, but it's what's a what's a ick for you? Like, what is something that a nigga like somebody say or do that turn you off like turn you off instantly?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:19

Instantly, I don't like when somebody try to um when a nigga try to like turn into somebody based off what I say. So for instance, a nigga was like, Yeah, I I um I want to go to the gym, you know. I've been in the gym, I'm trying to get rid of this gut. I was like, Oh, that's cool, but like it's nothing wrong with guts. He like, oh, I ain't gonna go to the gym no more.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:40

Why, nigga?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:42

That's like you're your own person. He like, what you prefer? Why do it matter what I prefer?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:47

I'm trying to look right for you.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:49

No, look right for yourself, nigga, if that's what you want to do. You your own individual. What I don't like that. I feel like men try to shape shift into who you want them to be in the beginning, and they take that fucking mask off.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:03

You don't think everybody do that though?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:04

Yeah, I feel like everybody does that.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:06

I ain't meet a nigga that didn't. I like I like how I fall in love is when you pull up with your garbage at the door. Like you short, I did that. A nigga threw that in my face. Right there at the front. No. With the garbage at the doorstep. Let me snoop me look, sift through it, see if it's anything that's like too much. I did that. And like I'm with all of that. I want to know the good, bad, and the ugly. Lay it out right there and let me accept you for who you is, because it's just way easier. Because I done had too many situations where it's like, and I'd have had too many other like homies have situations where they'll meet a girl and be liking her and be hanging out with her and nobody know about her, and then when it's time for them to bring around and shit, kicking it with the city. That's what I'm saying. That literally happened to me. Now they bring her around and Tom, Dick, and Harriet and everybody in the gang know her, and you think you have some shit and crazy. I want to know. When I start liking the chick, I'm bringing her right to the lions. Then I need to bring around all the snipers I know. I need to know who knows her. I need to see her react.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:08

You need to change how you deal with her, though. If you bring you bring around and like folks is like, oh yeah, I'm not sure. What if she tell you before me?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:18

I've been around, like I got real hoes in my family, like real hoes. Like, so I know, like, you feel me?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:25

It don't matter what you was doing before me. You feel me? Right. If I if you fuck with me, it's just certain things you gonna do. It's like you could have fucked everybody. But when you pull up with me, you gonna protect my ego. You gonna put that shit and guard it with your life.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:40

I feel like I feel like everybody's like that. I feel like a lot of men, they care too much about what other men think. So you could feel that way in the moment. Then when the time comes, niggas might be like, oh bro, she this, that, and the third. You it's very rare that niggas sit there and be like, I don't give a fuck. She was a whore, this my whore.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:58

Like, yeah, but it but it's not whore as the whore, not yo, but I'm saying it's the girl job as the whore to make her nigga like comfortable like about kids. A whore might do that for you. Like, that's my thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:11

A whore might do that. A nigga gets around certain niggas and they get to talking, they don't niggas, nail niggas coming home acting different. What you acting different for? Nigga, you you had that talk with them niggas. Oh, y'all for y'all can always keep talking about you can always tell that that nigga acting different. Yeah, but trying to kiss you the second. Wait, no. But you could just tell, like niggas just start happening. Like something told somebody told him something. Something I I be knowing, fuck. I but you could just answer. See, I don't give a office.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:44

I ain't gonna lie, you want to even have that conversation. Like, yes, no. I feel like so. For me, back for me, when I was when I was moving around, for me, it was only ever like my like my brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like long as you ain't hit. Like my brothers is different, like these my my blood. I like my homies is they my homies, you know what I'm saying? Like, but it's kind of you know what I'm saying. I could fall out with these niggas today tomorrow, you know what I'm saying? Not saying I would it's it's possible, but I it could. If my brothers, if they was none of them, I ain't really like I ain't.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:12

So let's just say you you Tom that's not married. How would you want to be like when you run into a new woman? How would you want to be judged off of the woman you took serious or off of the woman that you hit?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:22

Off of what y'all see on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:25

Cause like I like I'm the type of person, judge me off of what I wife, don't judge me off of what I hit. I kinda like. Some people feel like you judged off of what you encounter in general. I had a conversation with somebody, some why would you stick your dick in that and now you trying to come over here to me? Y'all don't be feeling like that. You judging a man off of that. Y'all don't be feeling like that for real, for real.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:46

Yes, I do. No, like that shit make your your stock go down for real. Like, if I find out you hit, it go the same way.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:53

Like, I had a nigga, I ain't that's take a nigga said that make your stock go down.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:56

Real, I had a nigga be like, you fuck with you fuck with him. Ew. I ain't never do that. I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:02

I ain't never doing it.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:04

I'm like, he he funny. Fuck you, mean. I love me a funny nigga.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:11

Like I ain't never had no problems like that. I just I don't I just don't I don't be too caught up in like anything going on, anything surrounding or anything prior, anything it just that never really kind of mattered to me for real. Like, I don't know, I wasn't too big on shit like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:29

So you told me if my logic is a good logic. So how I look at myself is like when I meet a woman, I feel like my flex is gonna be like the fact that like if if I meet a woman, I'll be like, yo, I want you to be my wife, my girl, whatever the case may be. It's gonna be certain things that I never did for girls that I'm gonna be able to that you're gonna be able to say I did for you. So it's like when I'm just kicking it with chicks, like I do certain shit, but it's certain shit I'm never gonna do because I feel like that's what you feel special, basically. Yeah, that's reserved for when I get like a main, main, main chick. Now, have I dated chicks here and there? Yeah, of course, but it's like all the chicks that dated me, it's things about them that they can only say I did with them. Right. That's the flex. It's like, yeah, I only had three girlfriends of my whole life, so only three girls can say they met my family. It's a lot of niggas out here that be like, no, they be everybody be mama. It'd be like, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:22

That shit don't, it's to a point, like, I don't even think that's special anymore. I don't care to meet your mom, I don't care to meet dudes, like, or your sister or your cousin.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:32

I don't care, like, like what would make in two in 2026, right now, and you meet a guy. Okay, what can he do to make you feel special?

SPEAKER_06 1:32:41

Cue the violin, real quick.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:43

What can he do to make me feel special? Um, you just gotta do what I I I don't already do for myself. Like, you gotta outdo me because I already, you know, not saying I'm not supposed to do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:54

There's not nothing.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:55

Simple gestures, like, what is something I be thinking all that shit bullshit. I'm gonna be honest. Like, good morning and what good leave me alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:04

So, like, let's just say you talking to a guy on the on like the first couple of times.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:08

Who else is you texting good morning, nigga?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:10

You nigga, and my fucking mom.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:14

Yeah, so alright, so let's just say you meet a guy, right? And you and he tell and you tell him that one time when you was eight years old, you went on a school trip and you had a certain kind of food, and you always you've been trying to find it. And for whatever reason, he comes and he brings you that food.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:32

So, yeah, it's so being considerate, like consideration, that's one of my love languages, like and thoughtfulness.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:40

So if I I want to know that you being attentive, like if we're talking and shit like that, I'm telling you things. Usually it may go over your head, but if you show that it hasn't gone over your head, that's like I'll be like, okay, you you you ate with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:56

Like you do lashes, so let's just say you talking to him and he like, hey, I was on Google or I was on this website, and they say, like, this like the new thing for lashes that like all the new lash girls are into, and I I think you should really look into this. I got you a book. Is that something you would feel like, oh, like he really interested in me? Or you overstepping? Or like, no, that's not overstepping.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:16

I like I like when I can learn from a man. I feel like I I've dated, you know, enough men, and it's just like, nigga, I know more than you. So it's just like I can't really gain anything from you. Like, for me, I feel like teaching me something is like the most valuable thing. Okay. You know, putting me onto something that I don't already know.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:40

I know we're about to move on, but this is my last question for the relationship shit. So now us being two damaged single people and you being a married wholesome guy. Damage is what would you say like was that deciding factor of like you knowing like it's time to do some grown man shit and and you know, that's my person.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:00

I I didn't you don't really I can speak for myself, I'm not gonna say you don't really do it. But I didn't put any, I didn't go into it with any typical, like any thought, like any like, all right, by this time or deadline or anything like that. It literally was all just I know we were talking about going with the flow sometimes because things change. Like I'm pretty sure we've all gotten to arrangements where you meet somebody and y'all like, yo, what you what you want? I'm on this. You you cool with that? And it's like, all right, cool, we both on this. Like, we ain't gonna be together, we ain't gonna do nothing. It's gonna literally just be I fuck with you, you fuck with me, and then you know what I'm saying? And then things gradually change through time. Whereas though, I guess that's why I said sitting down and speaking on it sometimes. I know I could speak to I've never had to do that because things just change, you just adapt as it changed. So now I was able to kind of go out, be out all night, and not you not hear from me.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:45

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:45

And now a month later, now it's an issue. Or not like an issue, but like you like them. I hear from you all last night. So now it was like, I'm gonna make sure I start doing that. You know what I'm saying? Things gradually just well, you don't, you're not really paying it no mind. Right. Um, and then you look at it.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:56

You just started considering the other person more and more exactly.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:00

The more just that just goes to show being I couldn't be, yeah. She said y'all don't be liking bitches for real. That's when you like somebody, you consider them. Yeah, right. Y'all don't get what I'm saying? Like, is you not gonna sit there and say with somebody that you like, like, oh my god, she moving too fast. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, because again, like I think that if you don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:20

Also, it goes into how you like, okay, so say if I didn't feel like that, like if I feel like you hit me, like, damn, I hear from you all last night. When I know a month ago, it didn't matter if you heard from me all last night. If I feel like, are she doing too much, then I'm cool. But because I didn't, because I'm like, all right, let me go ahead and make sure I, you know what I'm saying? Because I fuck with you. So it's like, all right, and then like I said, things from there just grew up.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:36

But see, our our two perspectives is why me or you never gonna get anywhere. It's like you are you sitting back saying, I'm waiting for the triple cross and I'm prepared for it. And then I'm a nigga like me sitting back saying, like, damn, what happened to the times where girls used to prove that like I'm not like other girls. And you sit in front of the simple fact of sitting at the perspective is whereas those like I ain't doing all that.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:02

Like, so it's like we both kind of. I haven't met anybody where it made you want to do that?

SPEAKER_08 1:37:07

Yeah, that made me want to really do. I don't know. So do you feel like you ain't buying a nigga breakfast on day two?

SPEAKER_06 1:37:14

Huh? You ain't buying a nigga breakfast day two? Like, like, oh, I'm gonna get you.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:17

I'm not doing shit for a nigga, you gotta do shit for me, I reciprocate. You lead, I follow.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:22

I'm fine, I'm fine with that part. I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:24

Okay, so that's it. Niggas don't be leading, I can't follow nothing. I'm not doing shit first. You initiated, you wanted me. I was minding my motherfucking business. That's why I be mad. I be minding my business. Yeah, you you you you coming to me, you want me. You you gotta initiate things with me and then I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:40

I'm not I'm not mad at that perspective.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:42

That's how it's like you got a strong personality?

SPEAKER_08 1:37:44

I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:46

So do you feel like the type of men that you go after, do you feel like you like to impose your personality on those men to kind of test to see like like basically like how manly you are you? Like, I'm gonna impose my will on you to see like how much you're gonna let me get away with. And the ones that let you get away with the least have the best chance, and the ones who kind of No, I don't respect men that let me get away with things.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:11

I really don't. So yeah, sh uh what was it, being aggressive or whatever? I respect that more. Like, I need to, you can't be so fucking with me. Like, I I'm a huge personality, you know what I'm saying? I got a big personality. Yeah, and I mean, even if you don't, you could be a chill guy, you could be a chill dude, but as far as um like me respecting you, you gotta you gotta like show me.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:37

You gotta you gotta earn that.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:40

You yeah, okay. Like you gotta put me in my place and all that.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:44

And how how does how does one put you in your place? Like what that what does that look like?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:55

Okay, so as far as like conversation goes, like, like how how do you go about like testing guys like intelligence as far as like do how like what type of conversations I can have with this guy? Like what what like how do you go about like when you first meet a guy, like all right, let me see where this, like just where his mental at.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:14

Like, what's yeah, I'm a gamper, but I talk about everything, conspiracy theories, huh?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:19

Like, do you watch baddies?

SPEAKER_08 1:39:20

No, I don't watch baddies.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:24

But that's just my personal opinion. Yeah, I don't think, like, even like not personally scum of the earth, but just like scum of the earth, because like it's low vibrational. Yeah, it's like when you watch that shit, you feel stupid about them up.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:36

I watched it a few times. I'm like, yo, they all grown and shit. Like, I can't picture me.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:40

I got a kid, even if I didn't, like but I also respect them because I'm a hood nigga and I know like every girl that I've like the few times I did watch, I know a girl in my neighborhood that's just like them. So to see them be able to like get a bag.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:54

Is that not like draining, doing that shit every single day?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:57

That's my thing. Like, to see them get a bag is what I root for. But when you get to like with a black eye, yeah, it's like bro, why you how you like that's what I'm gonna be was like I'm not about to be that rumbling, y'all. Like, I felt it.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:09

Not only that, like then. Not only that, that's like where you're stuck at for a very long time. Like it's hard to branch off. Like, nobody's gonna want to work with you. Yeah, so absolutely not. Like, people ask me, like, you should go on baddies. You no, I shouldn't, bitch. You go. I want I want to work, like I don't, it don't stop there. Like, I don't put myself in the box.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:32

So But you do lashes, so it's like you could be the personality. I want to do everything.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:37

No, I want to do everything. There's so many things that I want to do that I haven't even gotten. So, like, what's your passion? My passion, honestly. Um, I just I don't know. I just wherever I could be myself and maybe even profit off of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:56

That's what so what's your best personality trait that people can always kind of like compliment you for?

SPEAKER_08 1:41:02

Um I'm funny. Or like just me being myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:06

Yeah, but you can't really sell funny. Like, what's like when like like I'm a I'm very social.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:12

I'm kind of like an open book, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:14

Alright, that's cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:16

Like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:19

Because people are always like relatable. Like, that's you can never go wrong when you're relatable.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:23

I mean, I'm I'm starting to branch off into like content creation and like TikTok. You don't be on TikTok. Kind of t what kind of content? Content, my is I don't have a niche. I don't have uh like a strict thing. I I I'm serious, uh I talk about different topics, and then like I'm being funny and just talking about relatable things. It's is everything with me.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:45

How about you, Tom?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:47

Uh wait, what was the question again? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:49

What are you passionate about?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:50

Yeah, like what do you what are you?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:51

I mean, obviously, like you media, but my shit gonna sound a cliche and it's gonna sound like I'm really on some save the world shit. But I I really it really just to be kind of like really help other people like bullshit, like in any any form of the way. Anyway, right. I'm so big on like giving a leg up to to anybody else that's like trying to do some shit or trying to knowing I got the platform, like I always speak to like just my career to this point. Like if you look back at my track record, it's always a a point in time you can reference where I was somewhere and I got can I helped somebody else do some shit or I put somebody else on, right? Positioning with somebody. Um because again, like I feel like somebody that grew up like me, violent, somebody that grew up like me, um it was again, you gotta work for shit super hard. I didn't I didn't graduate college, none of that shit. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like it's other people out there like me that's trying to do some of the same shit, similar, whatever the case may be, and may not get them resources or may not get that same opportunity, so I gotta be the one. I always feel like it's me, it's my duty to go ahead and be the person that kind of helped with other people if I can do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:53

That's crazy you just spoke on that, because I I think about that by myself all the time. So I want to know how you view that. So I view it as a person that is very like objective when I see that I can create an opportunity for somebody else that I can't create for myself. But I don't like be mad about it or like bitter. And I see like you, a person that's similar to that, where it's like an opportunity might present itself where yeah, you could kind of like take it on as yourself and keep it for yourself, but you'll take yourself out of the situation and see like if I was to place someone else in this same position, would it be greater or have a greater outcome? And I see you do that multiple times. So, like, how do you feel after the fact of like knowing like because obviously you always be thinking, like, damn, how would that situation would have gone if I would have just stayed in the driver's seat? But like, do you do you have any situations that ever keep you up at night where you feel like next time I'ma just like kind of put myself first?

SPEAKER_06 1:43:52

No, not as not necessarily, because I don't like to go into that mindset and feeling like if I f if I felt if I know in myself, I felt like this was probably better fit for you or better suited for you, I'm cool with that. That's how I am. And I also know myself. I like I said, I know when I when it's time for me to sit down and get some shit done, I'm gonna get some shit done. So I always feel like I'm either gonna catch up or I can get it done myself at some point or anywhere, anywhere you put me, I always feel like I'm gonna outwork whoever's around me. So, but if I feel like because I've had I had so many opportunities where I have sat people down with certain people and their relationship boom blew up, and now you know what I'm saying, I might not get credited or none of that, and I'm cool with that. You know what I'm saying? Because I kind of you go into it kind of knowing that that's the reality of the situation. Um, but if I do, then that's a plus. If you do credit me or however the case may be, but this shit gonna come back tenfold. Like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like you just you do good deeds and you get shit back. That's just how I go into everything. I don't like to look at it like I'm concerned, or maybe this person gonna take this opportunity and don't say nothing, or you know what I'm saying? I just I don't look at shit like that. I knowing I did my part, being a good person, I be cool with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. A lot of times everybody, like my folks be mad at me for for being like that too much of the time because they be like, bro, you gotta start putting your foot.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:01

And I'll be like, that was that was my next question. So being being that way, obviously you get good relationships, you you see things flourish, you feel me? You have people run off or whatever the case may be. But can you explain to like the people that's watching like the flip side of that humbleness and how it hurts you?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:20

Um, you definitely do feel like you're not, you're not, you don't get to just do too much of the time. Like you might, again, like I speak to I speak to I'll speak to something in particular, actually. I'll speak to even when Wallow and Gilly blew up with me that's worth a game. And there's clips, there's videos, there's everything, there's everything of Wallow crediting me with yo, Tom. Me seeing you inspired this. You know what I'm saying? You was the first person I was seeing doing XYZ. Right, right. Gilly starting his podcast, Gilly saying, yo, big Fendi called me to start my podcast. And then Fendi saying, Tom was the one that showed me how to start it. So I just feel like you need to. You know what I'm saying? So if you if you dial it all back to where the origin and the root of how it all started, I could easily say, hey, yo, none of y'all niggas a beer with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. But I'm not looking at it like that. Right, right. So I'm looking at it like when that when they first blew up, I'm looking at it like, all right, cool, like they're probably. But I had people like my my homie, our homie who on Drink Champs, DJ EFN, one of the hosts on Drink Champs for the Albert. I never forget EFM was like, damn, like you like Gillian Waldo coming in. Cause everybody knew me as the first person in the city that was running around doing this shit. Right. So when they shit blew, it was like, damn, you let them took take your spot, bro. Like you let them come up. And I'm looking at it like, no, it was what's for me is is what's for me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, everybody's journeys is different. But it's just like people, some people will look at it that way. You know what I'm saying? Like, but I just I don't see shit that way. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:40

Like how I look at it, I'm so egotistical that I always turn all the negative shit to a positive, and I'm just like so arrogant. I'd be wanting to kill niggas. It it kind of just even when people fuck me over, it's like it's cool because it just proves that I knew exactly what I thought I knew. So that's more like gratification for me than anything. Because it's like you fuck me over, but I knew this before anybody knew anything. I knew this, and now this just doubled down on me knowing what the fuck I think I know. So it's like, yeah, I might not have got whatever I needed out of this particular situation, but the fact that this justified, this just gonna reinforce the next idea. So when I think some shit, now I'm not gonna second guess it.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:23

They ain't see my my real next level of arrogance because I was I was sitting back and I had a conversation with somebody. I'm like, I could I could make the case, I could be the most important figure in media in the city of Philadelphia for the past decade. If I if we want to get technical, I can have that, we can have that argument in terms of importance in this space. I don't see nobody really outdoing me for real for real, and what I contributed to podcasting in general. Flex, we won't have that conversation today, people. Yeah, I'm not that arrogant. But one day, right? Yeah, no, for sure. I better get a fucking street named after me. Yeah, we're gonna have some conversations.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:56

The number one thing is people only respect the win. So it's like even if you the most genuine person, even if you the coolest person, you real, you all of that, people just always gonna respect the win. So it's like life ain't gonna or the world ain't what you want it to be. It ain't just like, oh, I'm genuine, I got a genuine heart. Yeah, I'm gonna go out into the world and get genuine. No, you gotta go get a win. Niggas respect winners, they gonna make excuses for the winners. They're gonna do all of that when you get a win, and they're gonna make it all worth it. So you just focus on the win.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:29

No matter how humble you are, sometimes, like hoes, you need your ego sometimes too. Don't be scared of that. Yeah, just let niggas know. Like, because you definitely will, it has to show up at times because you feel like you're being played with.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:40

I was gonna say you can't stay humble like all the fucking time.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:43

No, it's it's a it's a I'm half and half now with it because I've I've been humble.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:48

You gotta know when, like, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:49

So now it's like, yeah, fuck all that shit. Like, but we're gonna see the more the more we grow with this show. I'm trying to it'll it'll it'll show a bit more just in certain ways where it's like I like the show improved.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:59

That's that's the flex for me. That's me, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:02

Yeah, that's me, bro. To the T, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:03

I'm I'm being straight and and talk, cause everybody can shit talk. I and I know some of the greatest shit talkers that didn't accomplish shit. They just good ass shit talking. Yeah, they just so good at shit talking, you would never know. So it's like when you when you realize that it's like, man, I I just rather be it, whatever it is or I say it is, I just rather be that.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:27

And if you know, you know, if you don't, then it's just really what you how you feel about yourself, like other how other people perceive you shouldn't fucking matter to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:35

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. No, it matters to me. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:40

No, it don't matter to me. How would it matter to you?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:42

Because it's like everything that this this is the the thing that I always tell people. Everything that we do is the the percentages change, but everything I do is six 60% for everybody else, 40% for me. Okay. So the 40% for me is like, yes, I want to be straight. I want to be healthy. You feel me? I want to be stable. But at the end of the day, I also want people to respect me in a certain way. And the way our society is built, you have to accumulate certain things. You have to structure your life a certain way. You have to position yourself a certain way. So you can't reinvent the will. So it's like, am I going to be like parading around town, showing how much exactly how much money I got? No. But I also want to position myself and hang out in certain places and be around certain people to whereas though I'm not prude in the same way that I once was. So it's like when you want that, you understand what comes with that. It's like when somebody gets into politics, they know that they can't just go to the bar and have a beer.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:03

I just, I'm, I'm not a people's pleaser. Like it just be like, take me as I am, or like you not for me. Like we, I'm not your key audience, you're not my key audience, you know. Um, we don't align within each other. Like, I'm not gonna, you know, conform who I am or change who I am to try to, you know. I know in certain spaces, especially like career-wise, you it's probably smart too, but it's smart too.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:27

I'm not mad at it if you don't. Like, I definitely understand both sides of the coin because you'll get in certain spaces where you might feel like you gotta kind of just conform, shrink yourself a little bit. But most of the time you like, bro, fuck it. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:38

It doesn't help the bottom line. That's really what it all boils down to. It's like when you get into certain shit, it's all about like, how is this shit gonna benefit me? Like, you get to a certain point in life where it's like saying certain shit just has no benefit, like, other than you just feeling like I should be able to say it because I can.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:58

No, I know I feel like in certain spaces you need to know how to shut up. Like, you get what I'm saying? You you don't know it all. Nobody knows anything. You you you're gonna work walk into certain places and you're gonna be able to learn from other people. You get what I'm saying? You don't know everything, you gotta learn how to shut up. I'm talking about just like really morphing into different people or changing who you are as a person to fit somebody like how somebody else wants you to be or something like that. No, for sure. So but I I do understand and get your perspective.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:33

I I um definitely um I want to say we gotta we gotta wrap things up here, but I definitely I feel like it was some good conversation. Um it's always up here. Um never anything opposite of that. Um I definitely want to say I appreciate both of y'all pulling up and having this conversation and sitting down. I'm tipsy. Um again, so I just want to say shout out to y'all, man. Um if you're watching, keep watching. If you're not watching, then don't watch. Um I ain't gonna tell like, subscribe, all that. It is what it is. If you like it, come fuck with us. If you don't, you don't. Hold up. Um we'll be here next week, same time. Um, same opinion, same attitude, same demeanor, same everything. So appreciate y'all and uh stay tapped, in, and catch y'all next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:27

Yeah. You are now tapped in with time flies. Don't touch that dial, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:36

Yeah, yeah, it's the part way, yeah. I was raised on the stage drip down process. You know that I can't wait for it.